Mar 14 20:37:28 sup d2p Mar 14 20:37:32 and codeimp, what a coincidence! Mar 14 20:37:35 <-- rf` has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) Mar 14 20:37:37 I'm not tryin' to be mean but that's just really annoying Mar 14 20:37:37 deathy: finish t/nc! Mar 14 20:37:52 * Doom2pro pokes alexmax Mar 14 20:37:57 ravage: wanna hear my keyworded reviews for your maps? Mar 14 20:38:07 gaybar! Mar 14 20:38:08 yes it is Mar 14 20:38:14 --- Quasarface is now known as pritch Mar 14 20:38:16 de kerker: "Great detail, use of Eternity features, gameplay. WAD of the week." Mar 14 20:38:24 for some reason this version of xchat won't allow you to disable divider bar auto-alignment Mar 14 20:38:26 heh Mar 14 20:38:32 and for RMUD Mar 14 20:38:34 "Despite being a corny "make a level from letters and words" map which I normally hate playing, this map has some sort of coherent gameplay." Mar 14 20:38:40 ^_^ Mar 14 20:38:48 yeah, the idea WAS corny Mar 14 20:38:53 woo hoo Mar 14 20:38:55 and thanks ^_^ Mar 14 20:39:01 an Eternity map is gonna be wad of the week? Mar 14 20:39:03 deathz0r: if you dont mine me asking, since when was ZDaemon "outcasted" from the Doom Comminuty? Mar 14 20:39:06 that'll wake people up Mar 14 20:39:08 quas: heh Mar 14 20:39:16 thats nothing Mar 14 20:39:17 doom2pro: hmm Mar 14 20:39:19 <-- Toke has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 14 20:39:20 rough guess would be 12 months ago Mar 14 20:39:21 --> Toke (Toke@ip72-192-76-156.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #zdoom Mar 14 20:39:21 since it started to sux0r? Mar 14 20:39:26 think of all those chocolate doom maps which were wad of the week Mar 14 20:39:26 heh Mar 14 20:39:33 heh Mar 14 20:39:43 raggle: you do not get to retroactively count vanilla maps :P Mar 14 20:39:44 heheh Mar 14 20:39:44 hmm, if that were true, why are we growing so much? Mar 14 20:39:50 whenever that thread on the zdoom forums occured Mar 14 20:39:57 d2p: its an illusion Mar 14 20:40:15 haha, I have never had an illusion talk to me :) Mar 14 20:40:15 d2p: people bring in friends? Mar 14 20:40:18 death: i'm releasing a Zheretic map next week :P Mar 14 20:40:25 can't be bothered looking at other available options? Mar 14 20:40:33 deathz0r: thats hardly responsible for a ten fold increase! Mar 14 20:40:40 in what time period? Mar 14 20:40:58 besides, who has that many friends? Mar 14 20:41:08 friends bring in other friends etc Mar 14 20:41:09 anyway Mar 14 20:41:15 i won't deny that your end user base is increasing Mar 14 20:41:28 most of the Doom Community probably dont even play Skulltag or ZDaemon Mar 14 20:41:29 but interested developers would certainly be pissed off at zdaemon being closed source Mar 14 20:41:31 but does the quality increase as well? Mar 14 20:41:38 after it was promised it would be reopened for 1.08 release Mar 14 20:41:40 you dont like the way we are running the place Mar 14 20:41:47 the place is fine to me Mar 14 20:42:01 i read the forums every now and then Mar 14 20:42:07 because i was never ip banned from them Mar 14 20:42:19 we actualy know how to run it, you guys think attacking us is going to make your point? Mar 14 20:42:32 i read that thread in the clans forum where gluttony and sonya acted like total fucktards Mar 14 20:42:40 oh god you're worse than furries Mar 14 20:42:42 you guys pissed alot of people off when you started flooding games Mar 14 20:42:43 and i thought "well, it's not going to improve anytime soon" Mar 14 20:42:47 who cares Mar 14 20:42:49 if you ask me your just a bunch of lamers :P Mar 14 20:42:53 --> Isle (isle@dhcp780.broadband01.tus.dakotacom.net) has joined #zdoom Mar 14 20:42:55 hold on a second Mar 14 20:42:59 let me grab alex's attention Mar 14 20:43:03 heh Mar 14 20:43:04 since you wanted to talk to him Mar 14 20:43:10 well I PMed him Mar 14 20:43:11 zdaemon is played by, for the most part, a bunch of fucking retards Mar 14 20:43:12 he hasnt replied Mar 14 20:43:12 do what now? Mar 14 20:43:23 with some quality exceptions Mar 14 20:43:27 pritch: hahaha yeah right Mar 14 20:43:28 Doom2pro Mar 14 20:43:30 i think he went to sleep a few minutes ago Mar 14 20:43:31 what the fuck Mar 14 20:43:32 in your opinion Mar 14 20:43:37 but for th emost part my active time with zdaemon gave me nothing but drama Mar 14 20:43:40 see Mar 14 20:43:45 Isle: yes? Mar 14 20:43:52 this is what i hated about zdaemon in the few months leading up to my permban Mar 14 20:43:53 dud r u a pro aat dooom? Mar 14 20:43:59 maybe you were hanging with the wrong croud? Mar 14 20:44:07 certain staff members just going "well i'm right and you're wrong so i don't give a shit" Mar 14 20:44:07 isle: it's just an alias :) Mar 14 20:44:08 yeah the peopel in charge Mar 14 20:44:20 deahtz0r: you are so one sided Mar 14 20:44:24 how so? Mar 14 20:44:26 you have NO idea how things are run Mar 14 20:44:32 I see how the place is run every day Mar 14 20:44:33 please, enlighten me Mar 14 20:44:34 --- Isle is now known as betterthanDoom2pro Mar 14 20:44:38 the community is falling 2 lawl! Mar 14 20:44:39 and I aint talking about what goes on in #zdplayers Mar 14 20:44:44 i don't think it's changed much since i was banned on christmas eve last year Mar 14 20:44:50 HA Mar 14 20:44:50 heh Mar 14 20:45:07 --- betterthanDoom2pro is now known as Isle Mar 14 20:45:11 you were banned the second we seen you in #aza with Codeimp and his gang and their futile DDos attacks Mar 14 20:45:16 actually Mar 14 20:45:22 if you dont like getting banned dont hang with assholes Mar 14 20:45:25 i was banned about a week after raider found out Mar 14 20:45:29 by kilgore Mar 14 20:45:29 word nig Mar 14 20:45:37 we knew about it for a while Mar 14 20:45:39 thanks for checking up on the truth though! Mar 14 20:45:41 we let you stay for a week Mar 14 20:45:43 heh Mar 14 20:45:46 please Mar 14 20:45:49 then we got fed up Mar 14 20:45:49 how gay is that? Mar 14 20:45:58 hooooooly shit Mar 14 20:46:01 kilgore banned me when the topic in #aza had added a personal insult about his health Mar 14 20:46:07 by shockwav3 Mar 14 20:46:24 Alex: are you serious though? do you think I'm going to Warn people before they use a Punk Buster? Mar 14 20:46:27 thats so laughable! Mar 14 20:46:40 Um....quake 3 asks me before I enable punk buster Mar 14 20:46:43 it serves as a nice warning, DONT DOWNLOAD CHEATS! Mar 14 20:46:46 --> rf``` (~infidelty@207-255-45-023-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net) has joined #zdoom Mar 14 20:46:47 yes Mar 14 20:46:57 Quasar` Mar 14 20:46:58 download fake cheats and get your registry unwillingly changed Mar 14 20:47:01 Replied to your thread Mar 14 20:47:04 download fake cheats and get doom2.wad deleted Mar 14 20:47:11 And Doom2pro do you consider two people laughing while codeimp's attacks were going on an 'attack on zdaemon'? Mar 14 20:47:13 download fake cheats and get zdaemon deleted! Mar 14 20:47:25 do you think honeypots have little text files in them saying "Honeypot run by the US Government" Mar 14 20:47:34 yes BBG Mar 14 20:47:36 alexmax: yes, if your fine and dandy with an attack Mar 14 20:47:39 and ongoing attack Mar 14 20:47:41 that's one of the chief uses for it. Mar 14 20:47:45 OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG Mar 14 20:47:45 as far as I am consurned, your out Mar 14 20:47:59 Quasar`, if you just heard the sound of ripping pants, it was my boner, destroying my pair Mar 14 20:48:00 heh Mar 14 20:48:02 --- rf``` is now known as rf` Mar 14 20:48:06 deathz0r: grow up, reinstalling Doom isnt hard Mar 14 20:48:10 <-- rf`` has quit (Killed (NickServ command used by rf`)) Mar 14 20:48:11 of course not Mar 14 20:48:12 there will be a way to override the default episode selection menu with a user-defined menu Mar 14 20:48:19 any "damage" as you call it could easily be reversed Mar 14 20:48:26 it's simply a warning Mar 14 20:48:28 and you know it Mar 14 20:48:28 it should not need to be reversed Mar 14 20:48:30 wtf Mar 14 20:48:31 there is no formal warning Mar 14 20:48:32 and of course make the menu appear in DOOM II even when it normally would not Mar 14 20:48:33 is with Mar 14 20:48:35 this drama Mar 14 20:48:37 your not that stupid :) Mar 14 20:48:39 quas: sweet Mar 14 20:48:43 of course not =P Mar 14 20:48:47 now that being said, I haven't added that ability yet Mar 14 20:48:52 heh Mar 14 20:48:56 I will very soon however Mar 14 20:48:59 besides as I stated in the forums, this is by NO means our "offical" response to the cheating Mar 14 20:49:06 i hope it's not Mar 14 20:49:06 Quasar` : coolness Mar 14 20:49:12 because it's very, very unethical Mar 14 20:49:17 you have no idea whats coming Mar 14 20:49:22 what Mar 14 20:49:26 Doom2pro Mar 14 20:49:30 I heard it was you that made that thing Mar 14 20:49:33 gonna remove partitions from cheater's computers? Mar 14 20:49:35 wait zdaemon deletes doom2.wad if you cheat? Mar 14 20:49:36 If I told you I'd have to kill you ;-) Mar 14 20:49:39 pritch: yes Mar 14 20:49:43 Yep, doom2pro made it Mar 14 20:49:45 right Mar 14 20:49:49 Um, you do realize that is ILLEGAL Mar 14 20:49:51 and creates fake copies of explorer.exe Mar 14 20:49:51 --- pritch sets ban on *!*@cpe-69-205-20-109.nycap.res.rr.com Mar 14 20:49:57 wait wait Mar 14 20:49:59 <-- pritch has kicked Doom2pro from #zdoom (get th ehell out) Mar 14 20:50:48 --> Doom2pro (~Doom2pro@cpe-69-205-20-109.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 20:50:51 pfft Mar 14 20:50:57 anyway Mar 14 20:51:09 it isnt Illegal to delete ZDaemon files Mar 14 20:51:20 it's not like I'm erasing random files Mar 14 20:51:30 which is good Mar 14 20:51:43 heh Mar 14 20:51:45 the only file that could even slightly be rude to delete is Doom2.wad Mar 14 20:51:56 and pwads Mar 14 20:52:02 but thats on a CD unless of course you downloaded it illegaly! Mar 14 20:52:05 in that case too bad for you Mar 14 20:52:13 still Mar 14 20:52:17 still what? Mar 14 20:52:40 Doom2pro: can you please explain to me how laughing at something is equivilant to an attack on ZDaemon? Mar 14 20:52:53 the fact that it behaves against the user's will is... Mar 14 20:52:55 dare i say it Mar 14 20:53:01 isn't that prosecutable? Mar 14 20:53:05 well we run the community Mar 14 20:53:12 You do not run my goddamn computer though Mar 14 20:53:15 if I see you in the same room as these attackers Mar 14 20:53:25 Hey guess what Doom2pro. Mar 14 20:53:27 it could be defined as a virus by any judge who is not that computer-literate Mar 14 20:53:30 I get autovoiced in #aza Mar 14 20:53:33 and you basicly dont give a shit that it's happening Mar 14 20:53:37 i get autoopped! Mar 14 20:53:37 Going to kick ban me too? Mar 14 20:53:43 well dont expect any respect from us anymore! Mar 14 20:54:02 if you dont want to get taken down with the drug dealers dont be in the room with them when they are busted Mar 14 20:54:05 also Mar 14 20:54:08 what alex said is bullshit Mar 14 20:54:11 he's not even in #aza Mar 14 20:54:22 Doom2pro, we don't NEED your respect. You're the red headed stepchild of the doom community Mar 14 20:54:28 and never goes in there Mar 14 20:54:30 alex: hey Mar 14 20:54:31 hey Mar 14 20:54:33 not my respect Mar 14 20:54:34 that's attacking me Mar 14 20:54:37 the respect of the Staff Mar 14 20:54:41 although i'm not a stepchild Mar 14 20:54:49 I was refering to the community Mar 14 20:54:50 we can ban you for no reason at all if we liked, it's not like your paying Mar 14 20:54:57 wait wait Mar 14 20:55:00 we dont do that regardless of what you think Mar 14 20:55:02 the zdaemon TOS mentions that? Mar 14 20:55:13 fuck the TOS, I'm not talking about that Mar 14 20:55:15 Pretty much. You are playing ZDaemon entirely at the whim of the administrators Mar 14 20:55:26 --> Russell_ (~Russell@60-234-130-11.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 20:55:28 Makes it easy to surround yourself with yes-men Mar 14 20:55:35 we run the place and when we are being attacked we reserve the right to ban anyone we may think is involved Mar 14 20:55:36 By the way, Doom2pro does NOT get banned Mar 14 20:55:42 i have no intention of banning him Mar 14 20:55:44 Let him speak his peace here Mar 14 20:55:57 or obtaining his IP for malicious purposes Mar 14 20:56:09 want my IP? Mar 14 20:56:10 i'm not the type that prefers to physically fuck around with someone's computer Mar 14 20:56:12 I'll give it to you Mar 14 20:56:18 actually you can get it from my hostmask Mar 14 20:56:22 I'm not using a proxy Mar 14 20:56:22 of course Mar 14 20:56:23 ahahaha, i can figure out his IP without it Mar 14 20:56:24 but i don't want to Mar 14 20:56:37 YOUR COMPUTER IS BROADCASTING AN IP ADDRESS Mar 14 20:56:43 you could find it from my websites Mar 14 20:56:44 ohSHIT Mar 14 20:56:45 but anyway Mar 14 20:57:01 you have the right to ban people, of course Mar 14 20:57:02 And just to clarify Doom2pro, what you did was not equivilant to Punkbuster Mar 14 20:57:11 Punkbuster does not delete files Mar 14 20:57:14 I dont care what you think a Punk Buster is Mar 14 20:57:15 It also allows you to disable it Mar 14 20:57:24 a Punk Buster reports cheaters Mar 14 20:57:29 So? Mar 14 20:57:33 I added a little kazam in there for kicks Mar 14 20:57:46 Then by your logic, IRC is a text editor, because they both allow you to store text Mar 14 20:57:53 heh Mar 14 20:57:55 no Mar 14 20:58:01 no? Mar 14 20:58:07 your making this all seem like some kind of Offical response to the cheaters Mar 14 20:58:12 you know who browses those forums? Mar 14 20:58:14 Cheaters. Mar 14 20:58:19 but deleting files without the user knowing (unless it is posted somewhere on the website/forums/other) is kind of illegal I'd imagine Mar 14 20:58:21 and I could care less about them Mar 14 20:58:23 you're referring to elitecoders, right? Mar 14 20:58:27 or there ZDaemon files Mar 14 20:58:39 thats the only places it was "released" Mar 14 20:58:41 Then how the fuck are you still on the administrative team? Mar 14 20:58:44 ok Mar 14 20:58:57 good question actually Mar 14 20:59:00 simply a little expirment by yours truly to find out who is downloading this cheat Mar 14 20:59:11 as far as i recall, you never had the power to ban anyone from the zdaemon master Mar 14 20:59:14 when did you obtain it? Mar 14 20:59:20 Doom2pro: Downloading the cheat does not mean you used it Mar 14 20:59:20 why would doing what I do result in me not being staff anymore? Mar 14 20:59:32 alex: you have to RUN it for it to work Mar 14 20:59:43 read the website Mar 14 20:59:50 Who cares? Maybe someone wanted to analyze it and pick apart how it worked Mar 14 20:59:53 we dont care if your testing or not Mar 14 21:00:04 Niv did that haha Mar 14 21:00:05 So you're relying on yourselves to find exploits Mar 14 21:00:09 We all know how well that went Mar 14 21:00:20 actually I told Niv how to remove it Mar 14 21:00:24 it's not hard Mar 14 21:00:24 <-- Russell has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 14 21:00:45 he was all worried thinking it deleted important files Mar 14 21:00:56 WELL OF COURSE HE DID Mar 14 21:01:03 well he was wrong Mar 14 21:01:08 How the fuck else are we supposed to trust a vindictive little shit like you Mar 14 21:01:14 Toke sent me a virus once Mar 14 21:01:15 Who konws, you could be lying? Mar 14 21:01:19 deleted my windows folder Mar 14 21:01:27 I aint lying, want the source code? Mar 14 21:01:30 yes Mar 14 21:01:36 even if I did you would probably say I modified it Mar 14 21:01:49 no Mar 14 21:01:51 i'll take your word for it Mar 14 21:01:59 besides I dont even have to give you it, I dont need to explain my actions to you Mar 14 21:02:08 no you don't Mar 14 21:02:09 Unaccaountable to everyone, fantastic Mar 14 21:02:57 Glad to see that ZDaemon is made up of superstars such as you Mar 14 21:04:16 And now you know why nobdoy else in the doom community wants anything to do with ZDaemon at all, because you're all a bunch of unethical faggots who are surdounded by yes-men Mar 14 21:04:30 oh Mar 14 21:04:34 i have a request d2p Mar 14 21:04:37 it sounds like a comfort zone issue to me Mar 14 21:04:42 get someone to remove all of my stickies from the forums Mar 14 21:04:43 http://dumped-archives.ath.cx/punkbuster.txt Mar 14 21:04:45 there you go Mar 14 21:04:46 i do want them there Mar 14 21:04:48 uh Mar 14 21:04:49 i mean do not Mar 14 21:05:08 I also let everyone on the ZDaemon forum know about the program and thanked you for it Mar 14 21:05:19 I dont run the forums and I dont think the person who does is going to accept requests from you Mar 14 21:05:22 Though I deliberately phrased it as a "crime doesn't pay" sort of things Mar 14 21:05:28 i don't want forum browsers going under the presumption that i'm active in zdaemon Mar 14 21:05:41 that's fine Mar 14 21:05:45 i'll ask someone else then Mar 14 21:06:14 And by the way, doom2pro, I still have tons of clout in the community. Why else do you think within a few minutes of release I had someone run a server with my CTF maps on it Mar 14 21:06:28 And I haven't even played in months Mar 14 21:06:29 I'm not doubting that Mar 14 21:06:39 i still have ties with lots of people Mar 14 21:06:46 OS, DUI in particular Mar 14 21:07:09 But honestly, Ralphis banned people who deserved it Mar 14 21:07:14 you guys claim ZDaemon lost lots of good players, and that it's falling to peices, crumbling Mar 14 21:07:19 your all wrong Mar 14 21:07:21 I didnt claim that Mar 14 21:07:27 i didn't Mar 14 21:07:30 Doom2pro: to be honest Mar 14 21:07:31 I'm not talking about you Alex Mar 14 21:07:32 Well, I think the community is in shables, but you dont need a small number of people for that Mar 14 21:07:37 are you happy with the way zdaemon is run? Mar 14 21:07:41 sure you do deathz0r Mar 14 21:07:53 yes I am Mar 14 21:08:13 and to be honest, we had to remove heaps of flaws Nightfang added Mar 14 21:08:15 honestly, I'm dead serious Mar 14 21:08:19 including an aimbot Mar 14 21:08:23 flaws Mar 14 21:08:26 thats not the point Mar 14 21:08:30 yeah secutiry flaws Mar 14 21:08:32 I'm not taking sides here Mar 14 21:08:33 does that include alienating the 0.99 community Mar 14 21:08:34 I got sick of how ZDaemon was turning into a nanny state Mar 14 21:08:37 I'ms saying that to Russell Mar 14 21:08:48 because he has this idea that ZDaemon would be a better place if he was still coding it Mar 14 21:09:01 Doom2pro: if you saw my post on the ud forums, would you consider it? Mar 14 21:09:09 ZDaemon Client and Server is only worked on by a few people right now Mar 14 21:09:18 we had to close the fucking source because of cheaters Mar 14 21:09:20 and attacks Mar 14 21:09:26 --> CodeImp (~dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 21:09:29 rofl Mar 14 21:09:30 we are going to try and open certian parts of it again Mar 14 21:09:31 Oh god Mar 14 21:09:35 er Mar 14 21:09:39 Hi codeimp, hows your ISP? Mar 14 21:09:43 hey codeimp! Mar 14 21:09:49 my close buddy! Mar 14 21:09:55 great to see i could get you in here Mar 14 21:09:57 * alexmax gives CodeImp fellatio Mar 14 21:10:01 lol you seem affected by rants Mar 14 21:10:11 So here you are doom2pro Mar 14 21:10:18 Face to face with the guy who started the REAL attacks on ZDaemon Mar 14 21:10:21 besides, my ISP seems somewhat offtopic here Mar 14 21:10:30 Codeimp: I have to thank you, you did us a great service, you revealed alot of security flaws Mar 14 21:10:43 Nothing is off topic Codeimp Mar 14 21:10:51 unless you dont want to talk about it Mar 14 21:11:00 wow Mar 14 21:11:04 if my ISP called me and warned me I wouldnt want to talk about it Mar 14 21:11:05 codeimp getting praise from zdaemon staff? Mar 14 21:11:10 i think you need it because there currently is something YOU dont want to talk about Mar 14 21:11:10 ? Mar 14 21:11:13 i thought that'd never happen ever again Mar 14 21:11:19 thats kinda embarrassing :) Mar 14 21:11:23 yea, where is my credit?! Mar 14 21:11:34 please whine more Mar 14 21:11:37 it's not like were not trying guys Mar 14 21:11:40 This guy....and NOBODY ELSE....was responsible for the attacks on ZDaemon Mar 14 21:11:45 you act like this is a service you are paying for Mar 14 21:12:02 the only thing i paid was my dedication to it Mar 14 21:12:02 have you forgotten this is run by a handfull of people in there spare time? Mar 14 21:12:15 to the community Mar 14 21:12:17 Doom2pro: to answer my question, would you consider it? Mar 14 21:12:21 And mine Mar 14 21:12:25 and to have it all end by supporting attacks Mar 14 21:12:28 it's a shame I know Mar 14 21:12:38 i never supported any attack Mar 14 21:12:45 hahaha Mar 14 21:12:45 YOU LAUGHED AT IT Mar 14 21:12:49 there is no evidence suggesting that other than being AFK in an IRC channel Mar 14 21:12:51 yeah and I'm the easter bunny Mar 14 21:12:51 YOU'RE CONDOMING TERRORISM Mar 14 21:12:57 AFK Mar 14 21:13:04 literally, I have never supported any attack Mar 14 21:13:09 i got banned at 1AM my time Mar 14 21:13:12 well Mar 14 21:13:13 ok Mar 14 21:13:15 I lie Mar 14 21:13:18 I thought what CodeImp did was extremely unethical Mar 14 21:13:21 hey, being in the same channel makes you just as guilty Mar 14 21:13:23 like it or not Mar 14 21:13:26 HOLY SHIT Mar 14 21:13:30 someone do a list of users Mar 14 21:13:31 quick Mar 14 21:13:31 I have given advice on attacks Mar 14 21:13:36 before Doom2pro leaves Mar 14 21:13:43 <-- Doom2pro has quit (Quit: Doom2pro) Mar 14 21:13:49 AHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT Mar 14 21:14:02 haha Mar 14 21:14:07 hold on Mar 14 21:14:09 how long was that Mar 14 21:14:15 --> Doom2pro (~Doom2pro@cpe-69-205-20-109.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 21:14:16 I can't believe how ignorant he is Mar 14 21:14:18 oh hi Mar 14 21:14:19 haha just kidding Mar 14 21:14:24 i thought you were gonna pull a ZAD on us Mar 14 21:14:26 rofl Mar 14 21:14:29 alexmax: true, but 1) its history and 2) its irrelevant to Doom2pro recent actions Mar 14 21:14:31 stupid CodeImp Mar 14 21:14:34 Russell thought I was serious! Mar 14 21:14:43 wait wait Mar 14 21:14:48 you're coming here on your free will Mar 14 21:14:48 Russell_ :P Mar 14 21:14:52 YOU SUPPORT E-TERRORISM Mar 14 21:14:53 true Mar 14 21:14:56 no Mar 14 21:15:01 i have to report this to raider somehow! Mar 14 21:15:06 this isnt a channel created for that purpose Mar 14 21:15:11 true Mar 14 21:15:13 and I was in those channels beforehand Mar 14 21:15:17 on my own free will Mar 14 21:15:22 I was just spying :) Mar 14 21:15:23 but it was a channel for zdaemon hatred way before #aza existed Mar 14 21:15:29 who's to say I aint spying now? Mar 14 21:15:29 of course, we didn't do any attacks Mar 14 21:15:33 what's there to spy? Mar 14 21:15:35 wow Mar 14 21:15:37 Doom2pro: just answer the question damnit :P Mar 14 21:15:41 AceOfSpades: No banishing Mar 14 21:15:50 we're talking to you Mar 14 21:15:53 i wasn't planning on it Mar 14 21:15:54 if you want me to reiterate, I will Mar 14 21:16:08 what do you have to gain from us? Mar 14 21:16:15 the only gain is banning alexmax for being associated to me Mar 14 21:16:25 who is associated to codeimp Mar 14 21:16:28 please, I was selectively ignoring before Mar 14 21:16:29 who is E-TERRORIST Mar 14 21:16:39 I dont have much to gain Mar 14 21:16:50 I am only talking to you guys not because I feel I must Mar 14 21:16:58 you must? Mar 14 21:16:59 simply because I want to remind you that you guys are wrong Mar 14 21:17:01 what do you want from us? Mar 14 21:17:06 not that your going to listen Mar 14 21:17:11 I'm just getting a kick outta this Mar 14 21:17:11 see Mar 14 21:17:13 that's where you're wrong Mar 14 21:17:14 Doom2pro: if everything was fine and dandy, the source was available for everyone to download, the staff were friendly towards the users of the community, blah blah blah, the obvious Mar 14 21:17:17 if we didn't want to listen Mar 14 21:17:20 we'd ban your ass right now Mar 14 21:17:22 would you consider a project like that? Mar 14 21:17:40 i wouldn't have invited you into this channel Mar 14 21:17:45 so yes, i'm willing to listen Mar 14 21:17:53 I want to hear the answer to this question Mar 14 21:17:57 at this point it seems like it's going in reverse direction Mar 14 21:18:02 you're not willing to listen to us Mar 14 21:18:07 Open Source, handfull of guys working on it, loaded with flaws, Ops who cant control themselfs, small userbase, ohh yeah! Nice vision of an online community Mar 14 21:18:24 That's not what we said Mar 14 21:18:25 apart from opensource, it sounds like zdaemon Mar 14 21:18:27 then fix it Mar 14 21:18:30 deathz0r: yeah like #zdoom Mar 14 21:18:31 fix it now! Mar 14 21:18:38 pritch has a stick up his ass eh? Mar 14 21:18:47 He doesn't have patience for you faggots Mar 14 21:18:48 Codeimp: not that you care but we are Mar 14 21:18:57 open source is the way to go, no matter what Mar 14 21:18:58 we are working feverishly Mar 14 21:19:03 he's not part of the discussion though Mar 14 21:19:10 you didn't want to talk to him Mar 14 21:19:10 and again, we're not asking about that Mar 14 21:19:11 alot more goes on behind the scenes than meets the eye Mar 14 21:19:14 you wanted to talk to me and alex Mar 14 21:19:18 Read what russell asked Mar 14 21:19:19 your lucky I'm even willing to tell you this Mar 14 21:19:26 < Russell_> Doom2pro: if everything was fine and dandy, the source was Mar 14 21:19:26 available for everyone to download, the staff were friendly Mar 14 21:19:26 towards the users of the community, blah blah blah, the Mar 14 21:19:26 obvious Mar 14 21:19:27 oh youre so lucky Mar 14 21:19:28 that is a major cock in the ass for zdaemon, probably one of the reasons WHY it is being attacked Mar 14 21:19:32 ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION Mar 14 21:19:43 dudes Mar 14 21:19:45 I know Mar 14 21:19:49 we're making too many questions at one time Mar 14 21:19:51 let him answer them Mar 14 21:19:51 the reason it was being attacked is the same reason I leaked a beta in 1.0 Mar 14 21:19:55 I had NO idea what was going on Mar 14 21:19:56 open source sounds like a major security flaw Mar 14 21:20:02 I bascily knew bubkis Mar 14 21:20:08 ZDEMON! Mar 14 21:20:08 if you guys went back to open source, give it time Mar 14 21:20:10 I didnt know what I was talking about Mar 14 21:20:11 i remember that well Mar 14 21:20:13 i leaked it to ralphis Mar 14 21:20:16 he leaked it to you Mar 14 21:20:17 you leaked it Mar 14 21:20:18 yes Mar 14 21:20:18 the cheats would stop Mar 14 21:20:20 fun times Mar 14 21:20:22 Open source being a security flaw is nonsense Mar 14 21:20:26 now I know whats going on Mar 14 21:20:31 I see the whole picture Mar 14 21:20:41 ok Mar 14 21:20:44 what's the whole picture then Mar 14 21:20:50 you guys on the otherhand have clouded your vision even more Mar 14 21:20:55 you have NO idea do you Mar 14 21:21:00 i have an idea actually Mar 14 21:21:03 give us an idea ;) Mar 14 21:21:03 so does russell Mar 14 21:21:06 so does alex Mar 14 21:21:07 now its our fault this happend. Mar 14 21:21:09 or let us experience it ;) Mar 14 21:21:16 name a complaint, I'll try and answer it Mar 14 21:21:21 ok Mar 14 21:21:22 OK Mar 14 21:21:27 who wants to go first? Mar 14 21:21:31 me Mar 14 21:22:18 a straightforward question Mar 14 21:22:28 why is zdaemon's source closed? Mar 14 21:22:28 yeah, no gayforward questions ;-) Mar 14 21:22:29 The ZDaemon community is centralized to a point like no other community. The forums and the master and the chat are all run by the same people, so it very very difficult to establish other communities in the zdaemon community because the 'main one' is shoved in your face. Mar 14 21:22:41 can you GUARANTEE there is no GPL code in it? Mar 14 21:23:41 That is my complaint. Due to this, the zdaemon community is all encompasing. If you're not in it, you're irrelivent to the grand scope of things. Mar 14 21:23:57 and are bound by its restrictions no matter if you are 'in it' or not Mar 14 21:23:59 Alexmax: true, but we dont have alot of resources, we are a handfull of people running a large community, we donate resources, Lyfe has been very Generous and I dont see how him running the master and the fourms has to do with anything? Mar 14 21:24:02 one at a time Mar 14 21:24:15 lyfe doesn't want to get involved Mar 14 21:24:17 a wise choice Mar 14 21:24:25 one i wished i made Mar 14 21:24:36 to me, it seems like once you're invovled with the zdaemon community Mar 14 21:24:38 Alexmax: your part of a Free Community, dont expect too much Mar 14 21:24:38 good one alexmax; one of my main complaints also Mar 14 21:24:39 the only real way out is a ban Mar 14 21:24:42 your being ungreatfull Mar 14 21:24:42 I respect lyfe for that Mar 14 21:24:49 On to Russell's question Mar 14 21:25:06 "Not a lot of resources"? If that was true, you wouldn't bother with things like ZDIRCi in the first place. However, I'll stop my question and let you answer Russll's. Mar 14 21:26:22 Russell: the reason we closed the source is because we have very few developers and it's not like we get requests every day to help with the project and those who we did let it either coded a few lines and were never heard from again or never finished their work. Basicly we closed the source because we were being swamped with cheats and Mr. Codeimp and his DDos attacks Mar 14 21:26:42 ah Mar 14 21:26:52 one problem with that though Mar 14 21:26:55 we are however working to open it again Mar 14 21:27:04 it was never an perminant thing Mar 14 21:27:09 csdoom declared any code fly contributed towards the zdoom fork as GPL Mar 14 21:27:17 we needed time to isolated critical areas Mar 14 21:27:24 Doom2pro: you guys better be, especially if it contains GPL code Mar 14 21:27:32 I am a member of the FSF Mar 14 21:27:36 Russell: ohh were so scwared! Mar 14 21:27:36 Kilgore claims he redid the free code Mar 14 21:27:37 a donating supporter Mar 14 21:27:45 i dont believe in "we are working to" anymore, raider has said that too many times without results. Mar 14 21:27:47 as far as i'm aware, that applies until at least zdaemon 0.99 Mar 14 21:27:50 now Mar 14 21:27:56 i believe nightfang was a firm believer in opengl Mar 14 21:28:02 Codeimp: who gives a shit what you think Mar 14 21:28:05 But since we have no way to audit the code, that's something that will never be resaolved Mar 14 21:28:14 your obviously wrong Mar 14 21:28:18 I am obliged to report any illegal activity Mar 14 21:28:24 and that 1.0 up to 1.04 (or was it 1.03?) he declared that any code he contributed is GPL Mar 14 21:28:28 my mind is a bit fuzzy on that though Mar 14 21:28:32 so i'm not sure if it's accurate Mar 14 21:28:36 especially involving licenses Mar 14 21:28:37 Russell: ohh, I'm sure it's going to make the front page of the News Mar 14 21:28:40 better call the UN Mar 14 21:28:45 a crime has been committed! Mar 14 21:28:50 hey Mar 14 21:28:53 i wouldn't shrug it off Mar 14 21:28:54 it could get you guys thrown under the hammer Mar 14 21:29:02 http://csdoom.sourceforge.net/carmack.txt Mar 14 21:29:07 I am not a fan of the GPL myself Mar 14 21:29:08 ohh, and I suppose you have not yet because your a nice guy? Mar 14 21:29:12 Yeah Russell, Doom2pro obviously has damaged views of what is right and wrong Mar 14 21:29:27 I'm not saying it's wright or wrong Mar 14 21:29:38 Doom2pro: I had to ask someone, namely you, since you are so conviniently available Mar 14 21:29:52 and the fact I cannot contact raider/anyone else Mar 14 21:29:55 I dont give a shit about the GPL, we are withholding the code untill we can isolate the parts we dont want open Mar 14 21:29:58 we could contact bones Mar 14 21:30:03 but he's not interested in that kind of stuff Mar 14 21:30:06 we are short on resources and it's going to take a while Mar 14 21:30:18 your threats mean diddly squat to me Mar 14 21:30:21 Russell_: did you ever contribute anything to zdaemon? Mar 14 21:30:28 you should give a shit about the GPL Mar 14 21:30:40 HEY Mar 14 21:30:42 alexmax: launchers and whatnot Mar 14 21:30:48 why, big brother going to take a dump on my head? Mar 14 21:30:48 oh\ Mar 14 21:30:52 HEY FAG Mar 14 21:31:01 YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE FUCKING LAW Mar 14 21:31:01 did you hear something? Mar 14 21:31:02 probably Mar 14 21:31:05 THAT MEANS FREE THE SOURCE Mar 14 21:31:06 nope must have been the wind Mar 14 21:31:09 NIGJUICE Mar 14 21:31:17 --- AceOfSpades sets ban on *!*@cpe-66-67-31-63.rochester.res.rr.com Mar 14 21:31:17 <-- AceOfSpades has kicked BBG from #unidoom (xcvgb ‹136›) Mar 14 21:31:24 whew Mar 14 21:31:26 --- AceOfSpades removes ban on *!*@cpe-66-67-31-63.rochester.res.rr.com Mar 14 21:31:30 for a second i thought that was doom2pro heh Mar 14 21:31:33 well, it seems the free software foundation will be interested in clearing up the situation with you guys Mar 14 21:31:39 ALERT: We didnt permantaly close the source, we are withholding nothing Mar 14 21:31:39 --> BBG (BBG@cpe-66-67-31-63.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 21:31:43 Wtf was that for? Mar 14 21:31:48 for being a jerkface Mar 14 21:31:49 besides all the GPL code you guys are talking about, are in OLD CODE Mar 14 21:31:57 1.07 source code to be exact Mar 14 21:31:57 ? Mar 14 21:31:59 Um Mar 14 21:32:00 you can download all of that Mar 14 21:32:01 Dude Mar 14 21:32:05 what Mar 14 21:32:08 Doom2pro: Where? Mar 14 21:32:09 Doom's source license Mar 14 21:32:09 the 1.07 source is available? Mar 14 21:32:10 the only shit that has changed is our code Mar 14 21:32:11 news to me Mar 14 21:32:15 Buttsecs Mar 14 21:32:17 in 1.07 and taken out in 1.08? Mar 14 21:32:50 http://www.zdaemon.org/ Mar 14 21:32:56 I dont see any download links for source Mar 14 21:32:57 on my website and zdaemon.info Mar 14 21:32:57 which happens to be down atm Mar 14 21:33:10 the 1.07 source? Mar 14 21:33:13 in fact, nothing on the main zdaemon website even mentions it Mar 14 21:33:15 thats because we dont offer new source anymore duh Mar 14 21:33:26 Why not allow the old source for download on the main page? Mar 14 21:33:30 Afraid people will find it? Mar 14 21:33:36 no Mar 14 21:33:37 haha Mar 14 21:33:38 YOU HAVE TO, DOOM2PRO Mar 14 21:33:39 It's the law Mar 14 21:33:46 Doom's source license Mar 14 21:33:57 You have to disclose the source Mar 14 21:33:57 i cannot find any link to zdaemon 1.07 source on dumped-archives Mar 14 21:33:58 I dont know why, it doesnt really matter, we removed the GPL code anyway Mar 14 21:34:01 the old code is in the past Mar 14 21:34:17 you removed GPL code while the source was closed Mar 14 21:34:30 BBG: actually, wrong, ZDoom is based on the earlier release of Doom's source Mar 14 21:34:30 that would prompt some kind of response Mar 14 21:34:36 we dont have to release it to be honest Mar 14 21:34:41 huh Mar 14 21:34:44 the only reason we are is to get more outside help Mar 14 21:34:56 that's bullshit Mar 14 21:35:00 Doom2pro: Hah, good luck convincing anyone to work on three version old code Mar 14 21:35:02 thats not bullshit Mar 14 21:35:10 no dipshit Mar 14 21:35:15 we are going to release the new code Mar 14 21:35:19 dont you even listen? Mar 14 21:35:21 one line of GPL code is all it takes for source that needs to be released Mar 14 21:35:25 by obligation of the license Mar 14 21:35:26 oh rly Mar 14 21:35:28 * Doom2pro smacks Alex upside the head Mar 14 21:35:38 you're releasing the source to the latest versions of zdaemon? Mar 14 21:35:42 Everyone, get your diff's ready Mar 14 21:35:51 So you guys are going to be total faggots and not let others work on a port based of ZD's netcode or something? Mar 14 21:35:57 when we are done isolating parts of it yes Mar 14 21:35:58 What if they want to make a port that doesn't suck a fat bag of dicks? Mar 14 21:36:12 wait Mar 14 21:36:15 isolating parts Mar 14 21:36:17 And then lick a dumptruck full of assholes? Mar 14 21:36:20 yes Mar 14 21:36:27 isolating parts Mar 14 21:36:29 that sounds very, very suspicious Mar 14 21:36:34 ohh I'm sure it does Mar 14 21:36:34 like Mar 14 21:36:37 deathz0r: how? Mar 14 21:36:43 we dont want to release parts of the code that might contain flaws Mar 14 21:36:46 "sorry, we don't permit you to make a zdaemon-compatible client or server" Mar 14 21:36:50 AHAHAHAHAHA Mar 14 21:36:51 and have assholes like you exploit them Mar 14 21:36:54 instead of tell us Mar 14 21:36:57 hey Mar 14 21:37:00 Security through obscurity worked out REAL well for you guys Mar 14 21:37:00 codeimp told raider Mar 14 21:37:04 fun fact Mar 14 21:37:10 but opensource or not; this isnt going to change anything about the zdaemon team Mar 14 21:37:13 about every flaw he found" Mar 14 21:37:16 deathz0r : I never said it'd be compatible with ZDaemon Mar 14 21:37:17 yes Mar 14 21:37:21 not after he was banned Mar 14 21:37:21 Just based off their netcode Mar 14 21:37:21 the whole time he was telling us we were fixing problems Mar 14 21:37:25 did he wait? no Mar 14 21:37:29 * CodeImp awaits a 'nothing wrong with zdaemon team, its perfect' response Mar 14 21:37:34 he's an afterthought Mar 14 21:37:34 the zdaemon team has made their mark in the plaster of paris ;) Mar 14 21:37:34 bbg: not talking to you Mar 14 21:37:36 Oh yeah, before CodeImp went batshit insane, he told raider about the problems he found Mar 14 21:37:37 to be honest Mar 14 21:37:39 just what d2p said about isolating code Mar 14 21:37:44 deathz0r : o rly Mar 14 21:37:55 yarly Mar 14 21:37:58 Isolating code is gay Mar 14 21:38:01 Release the whole thing Mar 14 21:38:02 no Mar 14 21:38:08 were not going to release master server code Mar 14 21:38:14 and you don't have to Mar 14 21:38:15 Well, no shit Mar 14 21:38:19 and let all the cheaters and lamers know how to exploit our system Mar 14 21:38:24 you're under no obligation to since that was never GPL'd Mar 14 21:38:26 you think we are stupid? Mar 14 21:38:26 I have a copy of the zdaemon master source Mar 14 21:38:34 and OLD version Mar 14 21:38:35 hahaha Mar 14 21:38:36 Doom2pro: See, you guys didnt go about this the right way....... Mar 14 21:38:40 So? Mar 14 21:38:44 nope Mar 14 21:38:54 latest build Mar 14 21:39:02 so? the new version is so different you wont even be able to tell the old one was even related to the new one Mar 14 21:39:05 You did 1. GPL 2. closed the source 3. reopening the parts Mar 14 21:39:05 zm108 ;) Mar 14 21:39:11 not 1.09 Mar 14 21:39:12 wrong Mar 14 21:39:19 btw Mar 14 21:39:32 you should consider keeping old versions of the zdaemon source on the website Mar 14 21:39:34 should have 1. GPL 2. wrote the new networking code 3. added the new networking code Mar 14 21:39:38 rather than removing them Mar 14 21:39:50 as a closed source module Mar 14 21:39:51 Russell: it's Raider's site not mine, it's his choice Mar 14 21:39:56 btw, we did have a site Mar 14 21:39:58 and it's down atm Mar 14 21:40:01 zdaemon.info Mar 14 21:40:03 it might be a wise idea Mar 14 21:40:08 i'm aware of it's purpose Mar 14 21:40:10 all the old code is there Mar 14 21:40:13 Why put it on two different siteS? Mar 14 21:40:13 actualyl Mar 14 21:40:17 i wasn't aware about old code Mar 14 21:40:18 why not? Mar 14 21:40:19 atleast people can contribute somewhat Mar 14 21:40:20 but stuff like betas Mar 14 21:40:21 Russell_ Mar 14 21:40:26 Send me the source Mar 14 21:40:31 who says everything has to be on one site Alex? Mar 14 21:40:38 russ: it'd have to be somewhat generalistic Mar 14 21:40:42 Raider's site has bandwidth issiues Mar 14 21:40:43 like say, audio code Mar 14 21:40:57 Audio code, we use FMod Mar 14 21:41:02 nasty Mar 14 21:41:07 consider using SDL Mar 14 21:41:16 lots of games use FMod Mar 14 21:41:31 fmod has issues Mar 14 21:41:37 Ugh, SDL's sound code give me problems in FreeBDS, might want to try OpenAL Mar 14 21:41:42 well nothings perfect Russell Mar 14 21:42:06 true Mar 14 21:42:14 come on Mar 14 21:42:18 what are you idiots talking about Mar 14 21:42:24 zdaemon is barely cross-compatible Mar 14 21:42:27 uh Mar 14 21:42:28 we have given this alot of thought, there is no perfect way to prevent cheaters and attackers Mar 14 21:42:29 i mean crossplatform Mar 14 21:42:41 there's what, linux server Mar 14 21:42:42 and that's it Mar 14 21:42:44 the only thing we can do is make it REALLY hard for such assholes to do what they do Mar 14 21:42:47 everything else is win32 Mar 14 21:42:50 Doom2pro: the only way to prevent cheating, is to mitigate it Mar 14 21:42:59 mitigate it to the point where it is pointless to cheat Mar 14 21:43:05 Open source is not a security vulnerabillity, though, Doom2pro Mar 14 21:43:07 d2p: you're right Mar 14 21:43:11 did you guys know that there was graphics code and game saving code and shit like that in the server code? Mar 14 21:43:16 Kilgore ripped all that shit out Mar 14 21:43:16 Doom2pro : no shit Mar 14 21:43:18 Dude Mar 14 21:43:23 there is no perfect way to prevent cheaters Mar 14 21:43:32 I can compile SSH right now on my computer, but you can still use SSH to make a secure transaction between two computers Mar 14 21:43:34 Doom2pro, closed source doesn't prevent SHIT Mar 14 21:43:37 you need dedicated staff who analyse claims of cheating Mar 14 21:43:40 In fact, it doesn't even make it HARDER Mar 14 21:43:45 and are able to make a good judgement on it Mar 14 21:43:46 of course Open Source isnt a security flaw Mar 14 21:43:53 the way ZDaemon's code is designed atm is Mar 14 21:43:55 it's flawed Mar 14 21:43:57 Then fix it Mar 14 21:43:58 we are fixing it Mar 14 21:43:59 I mean, Linux is open source and you don't hear of cripple worms and viruses for that Mar 14 21:44:00 Do you? Mar 14 21:44:07 I mean, at least, very often Mar 14 21:44:08 and you dont like it Mar 14 21:44:14 If at all Mar 14 21:44:14 "ohh it's taking too long" Mar 14 21:44:16 we don't like it how? Mar 14 21:44:23 But OMFG WINDOWS IS FUCKING SO VULNERABLE Mar 14 21:44:24 taking too long? Mar 14 21:44:26 "I'll tell on you if you dont open it!" Mar 14 21:44:29 "waaaaa!!!" Mar 14 21:44:39 the only active developer for zdaemon seems to be kilgore Mar 14 21:44:42 raider doesn't do shit anymore Mar 14 21:44:42 no Mar 14 21:44:44 your wrong again Mar 14 21:44:48 It's because you morons are designating all this extra shit to hacking on an exsting codebase that's really not that great Mar 14 21:44:51 lyfe does some things every now and then Mar 14 21:44:53 Danni does Mar 14 21:44:55 oh yeah Mar 14 21:44:58 forgot about danni Mar 14 21:44:59 raider seems like the man-in-the-middle Mar 14 21:45:02 infact Danni did Un lagged Mar 14 21:45:04 And you're also listening to the wrong people, we would have been happy to wait for ZDaemon to become secure Mar 14 21:45:04 i know Mar 14 21:45:06 i tested it for him Mar 14 21:45:09 who just governs what goes into a project Mar 14 21:45:10 it wont be that way for long either Mar 14 21:45:16 You're listening to the pubbies complaining Mar 14 21:45:16 raider? Mar 14 21:45:18 thats why we are moving forward to opening it up again Mar 14 21:45:23 to get more developers Mar 14 21:45:27 Doom2pro: you guys should really consider getting rid of raider Mar 14 21:45:30 Actually if you think about it, buttsecs, open source makes the port MORE SECURE Mar 14 21:45:31 haha Mar 14 21:45:34 Raider is fine Mar 14 21:45:41 you just dont like him Mar 14 21:45:42 Doom2pro: run it the way the devs want it, not him Mar 14 21:45:43 Because more people will be able to WORK ON IT and submit patches Mar 14 21:45:47 we do Mar 14 21:45:51 he has no say in the development stuff Mar 14 21:45:52 ah there comes the "zdaemon team is perfect" response Mar 14 21:45:54 Dude, fuck raider, I used to respect his bitch ass Mar 14 21:45:57 seriously Mar 14 21:46:01 seriously Mar 14 21:46:05 Raider creeps me the hell out now Mar 14 21:46:06 even if he said "Dont do it" Mar 14 21:46:06 Now fuck that goon and everyone that looks like him Mar 14 21:46:07 really? Mar 14 21:46:09 it would happen anyway Mar 14 21:46:14 not that he does Mar 14 21:46:20 he lets us do it our way Mar 14 21:46:26 he knows we know what we are talking about Mar 14 21:46:31 and he doesnt try and get in the way Mar 14 21:46:32 I suppose that is a bonus Mar 14 21:46:34 but you wouldnt know that Mar 14 21:46:36 you are biased Mar 14 21:46:45 you have this personal hatrid with him Mar 14 21:46:51 you all do Mar 14 21:46:54 my only hatred for him Mar 14 21:46:55 Bullshit Mar 14 21:47:00 is that he did nothing to circumvent my ban Mar 14 21:47:01 not bullshit Mar 14 21:47:01 Raider and I are still on speaking terms, as far as I know Mar 14 21:47:07 I hate him because he is a sleaze Mar 14 21:47:13 Again alex, IM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU! Mar 14 21:47:37 Shut up Doom2pro, if you make a generalization about "everyone" in this channel, you bet your ass that I'm going to correct you Mar 14 21:47:41 we dont all agree on everything, Raider and the Staff but we dont let it get to our heads Mar 14 21:47:46 I do NOT have a person hatred against raider Mar 14 21:47:49 and the fact he makes an ass out of me by accusing me of going behind his back Mar 14 21:47:54 He's just a douchebag, that's all Mar 14 21:48:03 I mean, he can't help it, it's just who he is Mar 14 21:48:03 Alex: I dont even know why your talking about this stuff, I'm only talking about Codeimp, Russell and Deathz0r Mar 14 21:48:09 So I don't hold anything against him Mar 14 21:48:09 which is more or less untrue Mar 14 21:48:16 you think your more involved in this but your not Mar 14 21:48:29 my problem with raider is how much time i wasted talking to him after kilgore banned me Mar 14 21:48:29 seriously, raider is a real thorn in zdaemons side Mar 14 21:48:30 In fact I cant remember the last time your name was mentioned Mar 14 21:48:34 So Doom2pro, did you make that fake aimbot thing? Mar 14 21:48:35 no offense :) Mar 14 21:48:36 you guys could run it a shitload better without him Mar 14 21:48:40 Doom2pro: You do not dictate who is involved in the conversation and who isn't Mar 14 21:48:41 d2p: that's ok Mar 14 21:48:45 If so, I am seriously considering submitting a report to the FBI Mar 14 21:48:47 BBG: No, Bill Gates did Mar 14 21:49:02 And if you think it's a joke, you better check your shit at the door, son Mar 14 21:49:02 hahahaha Mar 14 21:49:05 BBG: I think it's pretty much esablished that Doom2pro made the fake aimbot Mar 14 21:49:08 bbg came out of nowhere Mar 14 21:49:11 yet you're talking to him Mar 14 21:49:13 for uninstalled OUR software? Mar 14 21:49:16 go right ahead pall Mar 14 21:49:17 Um Mar 14 21:49:21 YOUR SOFTWARE? Mar 14 21:49:24 No, for malicious program Mar 14 21:49:25 You twat Mar 14 21:49:26 they will laught at you and hang up Mar 14 21:49:32 OUR as in Staff Mar 14 21:49:32 It's illegal to do what you did Mar 14 21:49:36 You think you have jusidiction over your software once it sits on my machine? Mar 14 21:49:37 Wrong, pal Mar 14 21:49:38 we made zdaemon we can remove it if we chose Mar 14 21:49:44 NO, YOU CANNOT Mar 14 21:49:50 no you can't Mar 14 21:49:52 Do you not understand how the law works? Mar 14 21:49:53 Infact there is a software called Partition Magic Mar 14 21:50:01 if it detects an invalid serial number Mar 14 21:50:04 guess what it does? Mar 14 21:50:08 Formats the drive Mar 14 21:50:14 you made zdaemon, you can stop working on it if you chose, but I downloaded zdaemon, I must choose weter i want to keep it or remove it Mar 14 21:50:17 Um, so? Mar 14 21:50:19 one diffrence though Mar 14 21:50:19 did anyone call the FBI on them? Mar 14 21:50:26 partition magic is commercial software Mar 14 21:50:28 zdaemon is not Mar 14 21:50:32 And another thing Mar 14 21:50:33 yeah Mar 14 21:50:33 BOOM Mar 14 21:50:37 It also deletes doom2.wad Mar 14 21:50:39 Am I right? Mar 14 21:50:40 yes Mar 14 21:50:42 yeah Mar 14 21:50:44 now tell me Mar 14 21:50:47 how is that related to zdaemon Mar 14 21:50:48 if you have a CD you didnt lose anything Mar 14 21:50:53 what if i had doom.wad or heretic.wad instead Mar 14 21:50:54 If so, you are violating the person's license to own Doom Mar 14 21:50:56 Doom2pro: question, about your program Mar 14 21:50:56 unless of course you downloaded it illegaly Mar 14 21:50:59 Actually, Doom2pro, you are wrong Mar 14 21:51:01 yeah Mar 14 21:51:04 in that case you have no say Mar 14 21:51:04 It doesn't matter if you have the CD Mar 14 21:51:05 let's stick with heretic as an example Mar 14 21:51:05 Doom2pro: Where does it delete doom2.wad? Mar 14 21:51:11 anywhere Mar 14 21:51:17 For example, I have doom2.wad in my zdaemon launcher configuration Mar 14 21:51:20 To delete somebody's software that they own a license to use without their permission is illegal Mar 14 21:51:20 which zdaemon doesn't advertise, yet supports Mar 14 21:51:21 UNLESS it states it in your EULA (which I assume you guys dont even have one) that the software will remove itself, its more or less illegal Mar 14 21:51:23 End of story Mar 14 21:51:28 so it looks for it in D:\Downloaded Files\Doomdata Mar 14 21:51:29 i recently posted about this Mar 14 21:51:30 Regardless of the files it deletes, it IS malicious, because it does not have the right to police the files on my computer until the user has given explicit permission for that. Mar 14 21:51:32 So yeah, blow me Mar 14 21:51:33 zdaemon advertises itself as a doom client/server port Mar 14 21:51:39 I'm probably going to talk the FBI about this program Mar 14 21:51:42 if that program you made removed heretic.wad Mar 14 21:51:44 you really think the FBI is going to take a program that deletes the datafile of a decade old game serious? Mar 14 21:51:50 Um, yeah Mar 14 21:51:50 if you do you have problems Mar 14 21:51:51 Will it delete doom2.wad out of every single directory in every single drive? Mar 14 21:51:59 is that going out of zdaemon's jurisdiction? Mar 14 21:52:01 Dude, they take everything serious Mar 14 21:52:03 not every single drive Mar 14 21:52:06 It's called "enforcing the law" Mar 14 21:52:08 take note Mar 14 21:52:21 zdaemon makes none to minimal effort on mentioning support for heretic Mar 14 21:52:21 do you even know how many people were effected? Mar 14 21:52:21 Well, if you removed the place I have doom2.wad, that would break all my other doom source ports Mar 14 21:52:24 they'll take it serious because it is still deleting file(s) Mar 14 21:52:26 haha Mar 14 21:52:27 So it deletes ALL doom2.wad files? Mar 14 21:52:31 you guys crack me up Mar 14 21:52:33 Russell_ : correct Mar 14 21:52:33 no matter what Mar 14 21:52:41 It is considered malicious software Mar 14 21:52:55 You have no respect for anyone here Mar 14 21:53:02 d2p: did you read my question? Mar 14 21:53:02 Doom2pro, you could go to jail for a simple "virus" that like, renames filename extensions Mar 14 21:53:03 btw, I dont live in the US, and from what I have learned, the FBI != Police Mar 14 21:53:06 or where you too busy responding to bbg Mar 14 21:53:08 Dumbass Mar 14 21:53:17 The only right ZDaemon has, is to deny ones access to their services since the service is free and hence a privilege to use. But that is where it ends. Everyone has the right to download and run whatever he wants whenever he wants on his machine and ZDaemon cannot take away that right or otherwise change it in any way. Hence why there is no possible excuse or justification for the malicious client. Mar 14 21:53:20 Wrong: it's deleting game related software, it doesnt spread, it only effected a handfull of cheaters and NO MONEY was lost Mar 14 21:53:21 Or hell, anyone besides yourself and that godawful administration team Mar 14 21:53:29 you think the FBI is going to spend money on a case like that? Mar 14 21:53:29 Doom2pro : THAT IS NOT THE POINT Mar 14 21:53:34 ROFL SPEND MONEY? Mar 14 21:53:37 you guys are stupider than I thought Mar 14 21:53:38 Doom2pro: By deleting my doom2.wad, your pgoram would break all my other source ports Mar 14 21:53:38 bbg Mar 14 21:53:41 Are you serious? Mar 14 21:53:42 there's no need to repeat yourself Mar 14 21:53:44 They're not spending shit Mar 14 21:53:47 yes they are Mar 14 21:53:47 So your assertion that it only 'breaks zdaemon' is false Mar 14 21:53:51 if he denounces it the first time Mar 14 21:53:53 espect him to repeat it Mar 14 21:53:53 if they do anything Mar 14 21:53:54 They are already paying those people to show up Mar 14 21:53:58 they need to open a case Mar 14 21:54:01 that costs Money Mar 14 21:54:03 retard Mar 14 21:54:11 Um, are you on rock, dude Mar 14 21:54:14 bbg Mar 14 21:54:17 Whatever Mar 14 21:54:26 now Mar 14 21:54:29 bbg, fbi involvement is unlikely considering the scale Mar 14 21:54:30 Why don't you have ops, deathz0r? Mar 14 21:54:34 BBG you dont even know what the fuck your talking about so why dont you let the grown ups talk and go back to your room Mar 14 21:54:35 >chanserv< op #unidoom Mar 14 21:54:36 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to deathz0r Mar 14 21:54:42 bbg: was unidentified Mar 14 21:54:43 rofl, grown ups? I'm 19 Mar 14 21:54:56 I've gotten more pussy in a week than you have in your entire life Mar 14 21:54:57 d2p: dude, he's a bigbadgangsta Mar 14 21:54:58 Bitch :-P Mar 14 21:55:01 That too Mar 14 21:55:02 he'll put a 45 cap in yo awss Mar 14 21:55:04 BOII Mar 14 21:55:05 Your mothers pussy doesnt count BBG :) Mar 14 21:55:11 Haha, more like I'd fucking deck a motherfucker Mar 14 21:55:17 anyway Mar 14 21:55:20 bbg is not important Mar 14 21:55:21 Doom2pro : yours does Mar 14 21:55:22 he's just a gangsta Mar 14 21:55:23 * Russell_ goes to bed Mar 14 21:55:27 Just like your daddy's butthole counts too Mar 14 21:55:34 haha my mother Mar 14 21:55:34 I wish this happened earlier ;) Mar 14 21:55:34 And your sister's lil' cooter Mar 14 21:55:44 bbg stop diverting his attention =P Mar 14 21:55:46 thats even worse ;-) Mar 14 21:55:47 Haha Mar 14 21:55:50 BBG, quit it Mar 14 21:55:53 ok Mar 14 21:55:53 Ok fine Mar 14 21:55:54 d2p Mar 14 21:55:54 no let him continue Mar 14 21:55:56 You're giving him a reason to ignore us Mar 14 21:55:57 I'm enjoying this Mar 14 21:56:00 well yeah Mar 14 21:56:03 Can I have ops? Mar 14 21:56:03 I love talking about shit that will have no impact on anything Mar 14 21:56:05 but he wasn't part of the original conversation Mar 14 21:56:06 No Mar 14 21:56:09 he wants to kick me now! Mar 14 21:56:13 Not really Mar 14 21:56:16 it eventually makes me give up and work on something better! Mar 14 21:56:18 he's essentially wasting time here Mar 14 21:56:20 I've been asking for ops since before this Mar 14 21:56:22 Anyway Mar 14 21:56:23 I must have struck a nerve with him Mar 14 21:56:24 i have a serious questions to ask Mar 14 21:56:24 haha Mar 14 21:56:27 deathz0r !op? Mar 14 21:56:33 bbg: !kick Mar 14 21:56:36 ok Deathz0r Mar 14 21:56:36 Haha Mar 14 21:56:37 go on Mar 14 21:56:37 Wtf Mar 14 21:56:37 and make said object that I was discussing redundant Mar 14 21:56:40 d2p: ok Mar 14 21:56:42 * Russell_ goes to bed Mar 14 21:56:44 Russell_! Mar 14 21:56:45 <-- alexmax has kicked BBG from #unidoom (SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DRAW HIS ATTENTION) Mar 14 21:56:45 --> BBG (BBG@cpe-66-67-31-63.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 21:56:50 does zdaemon advertise itself as a heretic client/server port? Mar 14 21:56:51 rofl alexmax Mar 14 21:56:56 clearly zdaemon has support for it Mar 14 21:57:00 oh man Mar 14 21:57:02 This should be fun Mar 14 21:57:04 but i gather it to advertise itself as a doom port Mar 14 21:57:14 Good question, does zdaemon advertsise heretic support? Mar 14 21:57:27 (it also supports hexen but not enough to make it complete) Mar 14 21:57:35 deathz0r: we dont have enough developers, we are aware of all the bugs in heretic and hexen support Mar 14 21:57:39 we have not worked on them Mar 14 21:57:41 Oh, does it? Mar 14 21:57:42 ok Mar 14 21:57:45 But does it support it? Mar 14 21:57:47 but that's not the question i asked Mar 14 21:57:48 simply because they are on the very bottom of our list Mar 14 21:58:02 the question is "does zdaemon advertise itself as a heretic client/server port" Mar 14 21:58:04 we removed so much code it doesnt really work Mar 14 21:58:10 I dont know if you could call it that Mar 14 21:58:10 there is no "does zdaemon support heretic" Mar 14 21:58:14 I.E. "Supported" Mar 14 21:58:14 because i already know the answer Mar 14 21:58:29 ok Mar 14 21:58:34 now if your program deleted heretic.wad Mar 14 21:58:39 it doesnt Mar 14 21:58:44 but just say it does Mar 14 21:58:47 i'll take your word for t Mar 14 21:58:49 but Mar 14 21:58:51 if it did Mar 14 21:58:54 I gave you the source Mar 14 21:58:57 didnt you look at it? Mar 14 21:58:57 no you didn't Mar 14 21:59:00 yes I did Mar 14 21:59:01 read up Mar 14 21:59:03 Doom2pro Mar 14 21:59:07 you were not even listening Mar 14 21:59:08 haha Mar 14 21:59:11 i'm sorry Mar 14 21:59:20 Send me the source to ZDaemon Mar 14 21:59:22 either x-chat has this amazing ability to change what people say Mar 14 21:59:25 I can't program Mar 14 21:59:28 or i heard something along the lines of Mar 14 21:59:44 right under it Mar 14 21:59:44 there is a URL Mar 14 21:59:44 to a text file Mar 14 21:59:48 fuck it Mar 14 21:59:53 this convo is too long Mar 14 21:59:56 heh Mar 14 22:00:00 want the URL again? Mar 14 22:00:02 it was along the lines of "i'm not willing to give it out" Mar 14 22:00:18 but yes i would like to see it Mar 14 22:00:20 http://dumped-archives.ath.cx/punkbuster.txt Mar 14 22:00:47 ah Mar 14 22:00:53 i misinterpreted that url Mar 14 22:01:11 thats seems to be the problem with you guys, you misinterepret everything :) Mar 14 22:01:20 ok Mar 14 22:01:24 moving o Mar 14 22:01:25 on Mar 14 22:01:32 let's say that it did remove heretic.wad Mar 14 22:01:49 (since technically that could be warezed) Mar 14 22:01:58 it would be stupid because nobody runs heretic servers Mar 14 22:02:01 (and we gotta fight cheaters by removing all of their commercial iwads) Mar 14 22:02:13 really? Mar 14 22:02:25 i see two heretic servers Mar 14 22:02:28 well I dont see any, and if they did they are not very stable Mar 14 22:02:49 besides 99.9 % of the community doesnt use it Mar 14 22:02:56 that wasnt the reason I delete the Iwads Mar 14 22:03:01 and also tnt.wad Mar 14 22:03:05 ok Mar 14 22:03:06 I delete them because I want to make it real hard to get back up and running Mar 14 22:03:15 That's gay Mar 14 22:03:18 for doom and doom 2 anyway Mar 14 22:03:23 I know that they will eventually get back up and running Mar 14 22:03:25 but you failed to include tnt, plutonia and heretic Mar 14 22:03:25 Suck a fucking thousands dicks in Hell, Doom2pro Mar 14 22:03:32 the goal wasnt to fix the problem by getting rid of them forever Mar 14 22:03:33 oh, but what about shareware doom? Mar 14 22:03:37 thats a flawed goal if it was Mar 14 22:03:44 the goal was to make it risky Mar 14 22:03:54 what gives them the message that they got busted? Mar 14 22:03:58 the gamearena shareware doom server was definitely active before i was banned Mar 14 22:04:02 sending a silent report back to our servers? Mar 14 22:04:03 no Mar 14 22:04:09 the file deletion is a sound warning Mar 14 22:04:13 be carefull what you download Mar 14 22:04:14 ok Mar 14 22:04:19 but what if they only had doom1.wad Mar 14 22:04:22 you dont know what it does Mar 14 22:04:23 and joined gamearena shareware doom Mar 14 22:04:28 shareware? Mar 14 22:04:30 Hey Doom2pro Mar 14 22:04:30 heh Mar 14 22:04:31 that makes your anti-cheat code ineffective Mar 14 22:04:33 You're a fucking bastard Mar 14 22:04:52 as far as "making them pay" is concerned Mar 14 22:05:01 why are you talking about a hypothetical situation Mar 14 22:05:03 that never happened Mar 14 22:05:04 I think it'd be cool to come over to your house and fuck your shit up, then bust your computer to pieces Mar 14 22:05:13 That'd be Goddamn hilarious Mar 14 22:05:14 did you hear something? Mar 14 22:05:16 --- AceOfSpades sets ban on *!*@cpe-66-67-31-63.rochester.res.rr.com Mar 14 22:05:16 <-- AceOfSpades has kicked BBG from #unidoom (come back later. ‹137›) Mar 14 22:05:24 no Mar 14 22:05:27 i could have farted though Mar 14 22:05:31 must have been my ears Mar 14 22:05:33 antway Mar 14 22:05:42 of course i'm talking about a hypothetical situation Mar 14 22:05:50 ok Mar 14 22:05:51 whats your point though? Mar 14 22:05:53 ignore what i said then Mar 14 22:06:00 because i didn't read the source prior to my question Mar 14 22:06:06 ohh Mar 14 22:06:08 But his source was closed Mar 14 22:06:10 i'll retract my question Mar 14 22:06:13 so ther was no way to know Mar 14 22:06:16 unless you asked Mar 14 22:06:20 I gave him the URL Mar 14 22:06:24 I figured he was reading it Mar 14 22:06:30 not my fault he didnt read it :) Mar 14 22:06:36 probably got lost in conversation Mar 14 22:06:38 Who else knows about your little excusion, Doom2pro? Mar 14 22:06:38 --- AceOfSpades removes ban on *!*@cpe-66-67-31-63.rochester.res.rr.com Mar 14 22:06:39 --> BBG (BBG@cpe-66-67-31-63.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 22:06:47 i can't say i've been paying attention to this channel all the time Mar 14 22:06:48 excusion? Mar 14 22:06:49 i do have other things to do Mar 14 22:06:57 such as writing up this weeks /newstuff reviews Mar 14 22:07:07 Who knows about this 'supposed' anti-cheat device Mar 14 22:07:13 baky obviously Mar 14 22:07:15 Like, does kilgore and raider and all them know it was you? Mar 14 22:07:21 domains knows about it Mar 14 22:07:26 kilgore knows Mar 14 22:07:28 as obvious in my original post in the thread Mar 14 22:07:28 only the idiots browsing the thread on "ZDaemon Aimbot/Wallhack" in the Ellitecoders forums Mar 14 22:07:36 which is a Cheating website Mar 14 22:07:40 we know that already Mar 14 22:07:43 set up to release cheats for pupular games Mar 14 22:07:46 alex doesnt Mar 14 22:07:50 but there's no anti-cheat link there Mar 14 22:07:52 that i'm aware of Mar 14 22:07:53 he seems to miss all the important tidbits Mar 14 22:08:02 I said that twice in the manc forums Mar 14 22:08:02 That wasn't what i was asking Doom2pro Mar 14 22:08:14 ohh? Mar 14 22:08:27 then what are you asking? Mar 14 22:08:31 DOes anyone in the administration know that the 'anti-cheat' was made by you? Mar 14 22:08:40 haha, the administration Mar 14 22:08:47 you make it sound like the whitehouse Mar 14 22:08:57 The ZDaemon Staff do know Mar 14 22:09:00 maybe it is the white house! Mar 14 22:09:01 as I said in the fourms Mar 14 22:09:12 i could make a slag but i won't =P Mar 14 22:09:15 And why haven't they kicked your ass for unethical behavior Mar 14 22:09:16 and infact Raider didnt like the file deleting part Mar 14 22:09:24 he said he would have only done the reporting part Mar 14 22:09:40 it's not unethical Mar 14 22:09:45 Here is the heart of it. Mar 14 22:09:47 you just view it that way Mar 14 22:09:53 You think that "oh, those faggots had it coming" Mar 14 22:10:00 But two wrongs dont make a right Mar 14 22:10:02 I only fucked up cheaters installs Mar 14 22:10:06 who cares about them Mar 14 22:10:06 So? Mar 14 22:10:07 do you? Mar 14 22:10:08 That's still unethical Mar 14 22:10:16 again, thats your opinion Mar 14 22:10:21 No, that's fact Mar 14 22:10:26 your twisted opinion I might add Mar 14 22:10:29 haha Mar 14 22:10:31 ok whatever Mar 14 22:10:35 there we go Mar 14 22:10:37 again Mar 14 22:10:43 I have no regrets Mar 14 22:10:45 you said we're not willing to listen Mar 14 22:10:55 Good luck getting a job anywhere with those kinds of ethics Mar 14 22:10:59 yet you just disregard what alex said as "twisted" Mar 14 22:11:01 "Oh hey, those faggots had it coming" Mar 14 22:11:09 yeah Mar 14 22:11:20 Heh... Mar 14 22:11:21 I IMO belive he's messed in the head Mar 14 22:11:31 just like all of you Mar 14 22:11:38 how am i messed in the head? Mar 14 22:11:40 You deleted files off of people's computers without anyones consent Mar 14 22:11:42 please, i want to know Mar 14 22:11:47 your so full of your own bullshit it's disgusting Mar 14 22:11:51 just so i know how to improve myself Mar 14 22:11:54 You're a damaged individual Mar 14 22:12:07 you aint going to take anything I say seriously anyway Mar 14 22:12:11 so why bother Mar 14 22:12:16 have i called you a faggot? Mar 14 22:12:24 or fucked in the head? Mar 14 22:12:25 heh, why would you ask that? Mar 14 22:12:29 No, that was me Mar 14 22:12:39 i'm taking you seriously Mar 14 22:12:48 like i said... once or twice before Mar 14 22:12:52 dont be offended if I dont belive you Mar 14 22:12:53 if i didn't, i wouldn't have let you in here Mar 14 22:12:54 I'm taking you very very seirously, and it scares me how little reguard you have for peoples machines Mar 14 22:12:55 omg Mar 14 22:12:57 i'm not Mar 14 22:12:58 unidoom! Mar 14 22:13:02 It's like keying someones car for petty revenge Mar 14 22:13:03 omg ganja Mar 14 22:13:05 wakka wakka Mar 14 22:13:06 you're gonna get banned now Mar 14 22:13:10 omg Mar 14 22:13:14 * Ganja runs away Mar 14 22:13:14 FROM ZDAEMON Mar 14 22:13:17 for supporting cheaters Mar 14 22:13:24 eh Mar 14 22:13:29 no way Mar 14 22:13:33 yeah man Mar 14 22:13:36 you acknowledged us Mar 14 22:13:37 deathz0r: this isnt #aza Mar 14 22:13:41 just cause i told some dude about sr50? Mar 14 22:13:44 and we are not currently being attacked by anyone in here Mar 14 22:13:47 Ahahaha oh shit I just realized something Mar 14 22:13:49 true Mar 14 22:13:53 Hexen and Heretic code isn't GPL Mar 14 22:13:54 omg Mar 14 22:13:59 Yeah Mar 14 22:14:01 And in fact I think that it's illgal to close it Mar 14 22:14:02 but we've had hatred towards zdaemon way before #aza Mar 14 22:14:04 O M F G Mar 14 22:14:06 Heretic and Hexen code is under a restricted license Mar 14 22:14:08 tell anyone who spied on us Mar 14 22:14:13 i love zdaemon Mar 14 22:14:18 Technically, you're not even allow to use it in a program at all Mar 14 22:14:24 spied on unidoom? Mar 14 22:14:28 yes i am Mar 14 22:14:33 And I know for a fact that zdoom 1.22 on had hexen and heretic code Mar 14 22:14:33 you dont need to, they are probably listenting now? Mar 14 22:14:34 ! Mar 14 22:14:35 So Eternity has to write its own Heretic code from scratch Mar 14 22:14:36 no I'm kidding Mar 14 22:14:41 * deathz0r sets mode: +b Ganja*!*@* Mar 14 22:14:41 you guys are not that important Mar 14 22:14:43 seriosuly Mar 14 22:14:45 So you guys were fucked from the start Mar 14 22:14:48 omg! Mar 14 22:14:49 if we're not important Mar 14 22:14:50 not!!!!!! Mar 14 22:14:52 why have you wasted... Mar 14 22:14:56 two and a half hours Mar 14 22:14:57 I have not waisted Mar 14 22:15:01 talking to us? Mar 14 22:15:02 I came here out of my own free will Mar 14 22:15:03 whaaa wakka wakka wakka wakka Mar 14 22:15:05 ok Mar 14 22:15:08 the staff dont know I'm here Mar 14 22:15:12 oh oh Mar 14 22:15:13 I came here for the fun of it Mar 14 22:15:15 actually no Mar 14 22:15:16 but bones is staff Mar 14 22:15:18 Obviously, if we weren't important, the entire doom community wouldn't have our back Mar 14 22:15:18 so he knows! Mar 14 22:15:22 I came here because Alex said he was here Mar 14 22:15:27 * Ganja throws a shoe at deathz0r Mar 14 22:15:27 and he wanted a privet conversation Mar 14 22:15:28 he's gonna report you and get your staff status revoked Mar 14 22:15:36 then I noticed you Mar 14 22:15:40 Well, you joined #Unidoom out of your own free will Mar 14 22:15:40 and decided ohh what the hell Mar 14 22:15:43 might as well Mar 14 22:15:49 #unidoom Mar 14 22:15:49 you won't get banend from there Mar 14 22:15:49 that was retarded Mar 14 22:15:49 hahaha Mar 14 22:15:51 unidoom? Mar 14 22:15:55 i talked first Mar 14 22:15:55 I joined here because I was banned from #zdoom Mar 14 22:15:56 is that where i am? Mar 14 22:15:58 omg Mar 14 22:16:00 quite rudly I might add Mar 14 22:16:06 ganja: yes Mar 14 22:16:14 Well, you see, the REST of the doom community thinks you're a faggot Mar 14 22:16:15 the home of non-aggressive zdaemon hatred! Mar 14 22:16:15 omg! Mar 14 22:16:22 c! up on top Mar 14 22:16:23 !!! Mar 14 22:16:24 and unethical Mar 14 22:16:24 ohh do they? Mar 14 22:16:26 with demented irc users with no importance Mar 14 22:16:27 Why were you banned from #zdaemon Mar 14 22:16:29 Er Mar 14 22:16:30 #zdoom Mar 14 22:16:40 By rest of doom community, i mean "Everyone but ZDaemon" Mar 14 22:16:40 bbg? Mar 14 22:16:42 wtf Mar 14 22:16:43 Ganja Mar 14 22:16:46 ZDaemon isn't really in the doom community Mar 14 22:16:52 by the rest of the cumminuty you mean people I dont know Mar 14 22:16:52 it's the red headed stepchild nobody talks about Mar 14 22:16:54 ZDaemon isn't even a part of it Mar 14 22:16:56 bbg Mar 14 22:16:58 so why would I give a shit anyway? Mar 14 22:17:06 Well, you give a shit because you were banned Mar 14 22:17:07 i like cheese Mar 14 22:17:11 D2P : why were j00 banned for #zdoom Mar 14 22:17:14 you're like "Oh how rude" Mar 14 22:17:14 your trying to irritate me and it aint working :) Mar 14 22:17:27 who else likes some good cheese? Mar 14 22:17:31 yea come on Mar 14 22:17:32 I do, Ganja Mar 14 22:17:32 yeah, pritch has a big stick up his ass Mar 14 22:17:33 cheese? Mar 14 22:17:35 BBG: because prich figured out what was going on and banned him for having the ethics of a mafia member Mar 14 22:17:35 I like good Ganja too Mar 14 22:17:37 damn right Mar 14 22:17:41 Oh yeah! Mar 14 22:17:45 haha Mar 14 22:17:49 * Ganja gets high Mar 14 22:17:49 I support a permban on that, actually Mar 14 22:17:54 But that's just me Mar 14 22:18:00 he probably thinks I made a virus that formats C and downloads kiddy porn on to your machine Mar 14 22:18:06 THe rest of the doom community doesn't have the patience for you guys Mar 14 22:18:13 you guys dont get facts straight Mar 14 22:18:17 omg Mar 14 22:18:17 Doom2pro: But someone in your position COULD have done that Mar 14 22:18:18 ok Mar 14 22:18:18 you guys thought Kilgore did this Mar 14 22:18:19 haha Mar 14 22:18:20 me? Mar 14 22:18:21 we don't Mar 14 22:18:22 pritch knows exactly what your file does Mar 14 22:18:25 but they didnt Mar 14 22:18:26 We told him Mar 14 22:18:26 we're well past that fact Mar 14 22:18:28 so your point is flawed Mar 14 22:18:37 that was initial presumptions Mar 14 22:18:37 I didnt make it format C Mar 14 22:18:40 from two different occasions Mar 14 22:18:43 ok thats it, im gona smoke a bowl now Mar 14 22:18:46 Doom2pro: but you could have Mar 14 22:18:51 so? Mar 14 22:18:57 whats your point? Mar 14 22:19:00 nobody said it formats C except you just now Mar 14 22:19:11 Codeimp could have decided not to attack us Mar 14 22:19:15 but that didnt happen Mar 14 22:19:15 Doom2pro: 04:59 -!- mode/#aza [+v alexmax] by ChanServ Mar 14 22:19:22 I do too have autovoice in #aza Mar 14 22:19:29 ok Mar 14 22:19:33 alexmax: your all wrapped up in fantasy Mar 14 22:19:34 i thought you didn't Mar 14 22:19:36 so that technically makes me an accomplice, by your retarded standards Mar 14 22:19:41 no wonder your so full of shit Mar 14 22:19:50 So go tell Kilgore Mar 14 22:19:57 Tell kilgore that I have autovoice in @aza Mar 14 22:19:57 Learn the difference between your and you're Mar 14 22:20:00 You fucking moron Mar 14 22:20:02 heh Mar 14 22:20:06 he doesnt listen does he? Mar 14 22:20:06 in fact i HAVE decided to stop attacking you, but this is reason enough to fire up yet another attack Mar 14 22:20:06 I'd love to see what happens Mar 14 22:20:14 CodeImp, I love you Mar 14 22:20:14 CodeImp: Dont be a faggot Mar 14 22:20:21 Two wrongs dont make a right Mar 14 22:20:24 And besides Mar 14 22:20:26 eh Mar 14 22:20:29 the zdaemon team didnt authorize this Mar 14 22:20:29 blarg Mar 14 22:20:29 dude, he provokes me right there Mar 14 22:20:31 zdaemon is not worth the effort Mar 14 22:20:34 hey hey Mar 14 22:20:36 Ok Mar 14 22:20:36 Codeimp: stop lying man, you stopped not because your a nice guy, you stopped because we decided to do something about it Mar 14 22:20:40 and you got in trouble Mar 14 22:20:43 haha Mar 14 22:20:44 CodeImp: But it was Doom2pro who is being a dick Mar 14 22:20:51 once again Mar 14 22:20:52 I think that we should try to get a ZDaemon Boycott going until raider denounces this program Mar 14 22:20:53 filling up the gaps Mar 14 22:20:54 If you want to get back at someone, screw HIM over Mar 14 22:21:01 trouble? the only trouble was done upon zdaemon as far as i recall Mar 14 22:21:05 i am confused Mar 14 22:21:06 BBG: One problem, we hardly play zdaemon as it is Mar 14 22:21:07 we have no intention of getting back at anyone Mar 14 22:21:09 * Ganja leaves Mar 14 22:21:13 deathz0r, that doesn't mean fag up /TNC by saying "Oh, you should boycott ZD" Mar 14 22:21:16 No, alexmax, not us Mar 14 22:21:21 People that actully play ZD Mar 14 22:21:26 heh Mar 14 22:21:27 Get THEM to boycott it Mar 14 22:21:33 Dude, don't you get it? Mar 14 22:21:34 And say "fuck you raider and doom2pro" Mar 14 22:21:34 CodeImp: yeah, I dont take anything you say serious, you lost all respect I had in you along time ago Mar 14 22:21:44 The people who play ZDaemon probably think this is a GOOD thing Mar 14 22:21:45 i dont care Mar 14 22:21:51 I'm sure you donmt Mar 14 22:21:55 How could you not respect CodeImp? Mar 14 22:21:57 but you definitely dont make (or made) me stop anything Mar 14 22:21:58 You should play CS sometime and listen to what people say about cheaters they're like "SMASH THEIR COMPUTERS AND SHIT" Mar 14 22:22:00 First off, he's a better programmer than you Mar 14 22:22:05 hey Mar 14 22:22:06 hey Mar 14 22:22:11 And second off, he has a bigger penis than you! Mar 14 22:22:13 hear me out Mar 14 22:22:15 and he's dutch Mar 14 22:22:16 Probably Mar 14 22:22:18 i have something to say Mar 14 22:22:18 Yeah that too Mar 14 22:22:19 which means he has a better accent! Mar 14 22:22:22 listen up Mar 14 22:22:25 So he can like, fucking smoke pot legally Mar 14 22:22:32 CodeImp: funny though, you "decided to stop" right after bahdko called your ISP Mar 14 22:22:32 Get all blitzed Mar 14 22:22:34 * Ganja farts Mar 14 22:22:35 nuff said Mar 14 22:22:40 Huh? Mar 14 22:22:40 wait wait Mar 14 22:22:48 bahdko aligns herself to the zdaemon community? Mar 14 22:22:50 Why would bahdko call his IS{? Mar 14 22:22:53 ISP? Mar 14 22:22:55 For what reason? Mar 14 22:22:57 i dont like bahdko Mar 14 22:23:02 she is a facist Mar 14 22:23:10 quote me on that Mar 14 22:23:10 i always thought she was more of a "don't give a damn" person Mar 14 22:23:12 Doom2pro: you dont have to call it "my ISP", because its me, thats my work Mar 14 22:23:25 deathz0r: I think she disrespects people who try and attack communities dude Mar 14 22:23:30 but im sure "your ISP" sounds better Mar 14 22:23:37 she more like, if you dont agree with me, you suck Mar 14 22:23:44 And to be honest, I think that attacking zdaemon was a dick move by CodeImp Mar 14 22:23:47 she removed me from her website Mar 14 22:23:51 CodeImp: I know Mar 14 22:23:54 i was in like 4 diff places Mar 14 22:23:56 yet, i never heard from Bahdko, only Typone called me up Mar 14 22:23:59 thats the only way you can spoof IPs Mar 14 22:24:00 ? Mar 14 22:24:01 becuase i called her a facist Mar 14 22:24:07 Doom2pro : wrong Mar 14 22:24:14 Zombie trojans with a VPN Mar 14 22:24:15 Dur Mar 14 22:24:17 my pic from a lan is gona Mar 14 22:24:26 and my name Mar 14 22:24:31 its like i didnt even go Mar 14 22:24:40 so where is the trouble? Mar 14 22:24:42 bitch Mar 14 22:24:45 it's like you've been wiped out of existance! Mar 14 22:24:49 heh Mar 14 22:24:49 I have a trojan where the hacker could HEAR MY TALKING WHENEVER HE WANTED THROUGH MY MIC Mar 14 22:24:50 Ok? Mar 14 22:24:54 That shit was creepy Mar 14 22:24:56 Ganja: will always remain alive in our hearts Mar 14 22:24:56 what that LAN where Toke was there? Mar 14 22:25:00 I never seen your picture Mar 14 22:25:00 only trouble i see right now i you violating a bunch of ethical rules Mar 14 22:25:03 yay! Mar 14 22:25:03 at that LAN Mar 14 22:25:04 is* Mar 14 22:25:05 only Toke Mar 14 22:25:09 Doom2pro Mar 14 22:25:13 CodeImp: oh shut the hell up, you call what you did ethical? Mar 14 22:25:13 yea d2p Mar 14 22:25:21 I wouldn't have had any problem with your program if it just reported a user Mar 14 22:25:27 But the deletion of files is going overboard Mar 14 22:25:27 check it out, i got a pic still of that Mar 14 22:25:29 Ok? Mar 14 22:25:31 * Ganja finds Mar 14 22:25:33 That's all we are saying Mar 14 22:25:40 alexmax: no, im not trying to justify my actions, i dont need to because my position was different, but its irrelevant to Doom2pro's recent activities Mar 14 22:25:42 CodeImp: Ethical Rules? your one to talk about ethics, I dont suppose Hijacking Skulltag Online is good ethics? Mar 14 22:25:54 I dont buy that shit Mar 14 22:26:00 But whatever Mar 14 22:26:11 haha Mar 14 22:26:13 of couse not! Mar 14 22:26:16 your full of shit! Mar 14 22:26:25 Doom2pro: I was talking to CodeImp Mar 14 22:26:33 how can you when Codeimp's dick is inserted into your ass so far Mar 14 22:26:33 heh Mar 14 22:26:43 Hah, now Doom2pro looks like a moron Mar 14 22:26:45 wait Mar 14 22:26:52 if codeimp's is not in my ass Mar 14 22:26:53 whose is it? Mar 14 22:27:02 your own :) Mar 14 22:27:06 oh phew Mar 14 22:27:06 bah Mar 14 22:27:07 that was close Mar 14 22:27:09 its gone Mar 14 22:27:10 haha Mar 14 22:27:14 see wtf Mar 14 22:27:19 i thought it was naut's Mar 14 22:27:33 I can't believe President Bush is gonna be 30 minutes away from my town Mar 14 22:27:45 i been getting discriminated on Mar 14 22:27:57 haha Mar 14 22:28:05 im am officaly anti bahdko Mar 14 22:28:32 Ganja: did you get into a political argument with her at the LAN or something? Mar 14 22:28:46 no here latley Mar 14 22:28:51 ahh Mar 14 22:28:59 what brought this up tonight Mar 14 22:29:04 is that im back in n2 Mar 14 22:29:10 n2? Mar 14 22:29:11 somehow no one is banned Mar 14 22:29:14 ohh Mar 14 22:29:17 nightmare2 Mar 14 22:29:18 but i have benn for like 3 months Mar 14 22:29:23 nightmare2 yea Mar 14 22:29:39 heh i got banned from #nightmare2 a long time ago for nicknaming tagart faggart Mar 14 22:29:40 it was me and badfish Mar 14 22:29:53 badifish pissed everyone off Mar 14 22:30:05 then i was like, yea badfish is my friend Mar 14 22:30:09 then i got banned Mar 14 22:30:18 but i called her a facist too Mar 14 22:30:26 heh Mar 14 22:30:29 Badfish is a twat Mar 14 22:30:33 Or at least, he was Mar 14 22:30:36 Dunno if he still is Mar 14 22:30:46 he can be a bitch Mar 14 22:30:52 badfish? Mar 14 22:30:54 he is my poker partner Mar 14 22:30:56 to say the least :P Mar 14 22:31:01 and he is damn good at doom Mar 14 22:31:07 he might be an asshole Mar 14 22:31:09 where is he btw? Mar 14 22:31:09 Doom2pro, Mar 14 22:31:13 buit then who isnt? Mar 14 22:31:13 Are you a male or female? Mar 14 22:31:13 I have not seen him in ages Mar 14 22:31:29 he was here yesterday Mar 14 22:31:38 i talked to him but he didnt play Mar 14 22:31:48 ohh so is he like these guys? protesting ZDaemon or something Mar 14 22:31:50 he is c! Mar 14 22:32:05 ? Mar 14 22:32:08 CS Mar 14 22:32:11 * BBG gies Mar 14 22:32:13 * BBG goes Mar 14 22:32:16 what do you mrean? Mar 14 22:32:51 well I dont think I need to tell you that Codeimp, Russell, Deathz0r ect... have a problem with the establishment Mar 14 22:33:03 hehe, how come :P Mar 14 22:33:08 I guess it's kindof wrong of me to steriotype everyone here Mar 14 22:33:11 mybad Mar 14 22:33:22 everyone has a problem of some kind Mar 14 22:33:26 true Mar 14 22:33:32 i am pissed at raider myself Mar 14 22:33:35 I aint Mar 14 22:33:41 very pissed Mar 14 22:33:41 I see what goes on every day Mar 14 22:33:43 from the inside Mar 14 22:33:52 althou i think he is the man when it comes to zd Mar 14 22:33:57 from the outside I can see why you guys are angry Mar 14 22:34:05 you are all misinformed Mar 14 22:34:05 it's not because i'm banned d2p Mar 14 22:34:08 he just has a wall that no one can scale Mar 14 22:34:16 i've been angry about zdaemon before i was banned Mar 14 22:34:20 my anger is from the ! Mar 14 22:34:21 I know Mar 14 22:34:21 i think some particular forum posts prove that Mar 14 22:34:22 !!! Mar 14 22:34:27 he banned ! Mar 14 22:34:31 about a particular subject Mar 14 22:34:32 I'm angry with zdaemon even before I was cut out of the loop Mar 14 22:34:32 you and Russell dont like Raider Mar 14 22:34:33 for no reason Mar 14 22:34:39 you have made that obvious for some time Mar 14 22:34:42 i love raider Mar 14 22:34:46 dont get me wrong Mar 14 22:34:46 not you Mar 14 22:34:48 Deathz0r Mar 14 22:34:52 shut up, he knows Mar 14 22:34:56 but my ! is all i got Mar 14 22:35:05 if i lose my ! i leave zd Mar 14 22:35:08 period Mar 14 22:35:10 I stopped doing Clan shit a long time ago Mar 14 22:35:13 and i am losing it Mar 14 22:35:20 someone does something stupid and it stains the entire clan Mar 14 22:35:23 not worth it :P Mar 14 22:35:34 my clan isnt some stupid shit Mar 14 22:35:39 i know clans suck Mar 14 22:35:40 I aint saying it is Mar 14 22:35:50 but me jasstex badfish and those others Mar 14 22:35:52 I'm saying atm Clans are a very bad spot for Staff Mar 14 22:35:53 we play Mar 14 22:35:55 heh Mar 14 22:36:06 I played jasstex yesterday Mar 14 22:36:10 in Judas Map23 Mar 14 22:36:11 awesome Mar 14 22:36:14 you won i bet Mar 14 22:36:17 Doom2pro: bullshit, last i checked raider is a member of DUI Mar 14 22:36:19 i'm not going to respond to that "stains the entire clan" Mar 14 22:36:31 I almost won, crashed out, started again and he had a 14 something frag lead Mar 14 22:36:33 did he say c! or did he weat the tag? Mar 14 22:36:34 and I caught up again Mar 14 22:36:39 he gave up and said I win Mar 14 22:36:42 !c Mar 14 22:36:46 he had that Mar 14 22:36:47 c! Mar 14 22:36:50 awesome Mar 14 22:36:51 chronic Mar 14 22:36:56 jasstex is the man Mar 14 22:36:59 alexmax: were not members Mar 14 22:37:06 he is in charge of recruiting for c! now Mar 14 22:37:15 i couldnt have a better guy Mar 14 22:37:18 were "Honorary" members Mar 14 22:37:20 we didnt ask Mar 14 22:37:24 they just made us it Mar 14 22:37:46 dui is weak IMO Mar 14 22:37:54 they dont play as much anymore Mar 14 22:37:57 if they were full force Mar 14 22:38:00 DUI is too big Mar 14 22:38:01 bunch of alright players, couldnt find a clan Mar 14 22:38:02 they would be a wicked clan Mar 14 22:38:10 joined dui just to "belong" Mar 14 22:38:22 UD is still on top though Mar 14 22:38:27 bah Mar 14 22:38:31 c! up on top Mar 14 22:38:34 UD CHALLENGES YOU Mar 14 22:38:36 they only recruit new players because alot of the old players are not around anymore Mar 14 22:38:36 i have challenge clan OS Mar 14 22:38:50 Doom2pro: DUI needs to solidify who they really are Mar 14 22:38:52 i think we gona own on os Mar 14 22:39:00 They're just a bunch of guys who hang out Mar 14 22:39:01 why are you telling me :P Mar 14 22:39:07 Because you're an honerary member Mar 14 22:39:08 but yea someone asked me, why challenge the most badass clans first Mar 14 22:39:13 if you have something to say to them do it yourself Mar 14 22:39:15 i said bitch, so i can own! Mar 14 22:39:19 And I'm UD, and I'm afraid they'd bring up the CTF match and other stupid shit Mar 14 22:39:22 yea ud is next Mar 14 22:39:25 then dui Mar 14 22:39:28 I love CTF Mar 14 22:39:33 I play that mostly now Mar 14 22:39:34 then whatever else weak clan comes up Mar 14 22:39:47 eh ctf Mar 14 22:39:50 c! is weak in Mar 14 22:39:53 CTF rules you faggot Mar 14 22:39:58 no teamwork at least Mar 14 22:40:02 hey hey Mar 14 22:40:04 and its cool how I kinda fuckstarted it Mar 14 22:40:08 dont be a bitch alex Mar 14 22:40:09 wait till the new voice chat comes out Mar 14 22:40:17 you can talk to teamembers ingame Mar 14 22:40:18 Ganja: haha i'm pickin Mar 14 22:40:19 d2p: i tested it ages ago Mar 14 22:40:21 with danni Mar 14 22:40:21 without teamspeak or ventrillo Mar 14 22:40:27 me too Mar 14 22:40:29 i'm guessing he's working on it? Mar 14 22:40:30 recently Mar 14 22:40:34 ts during game would be insane Mar 14 22:41:01 Kilgore is adding a nice touch also, Voice Packs Mar 14 22:41:06 which are totaly Optional of course Mar 14 22:41:09 Oh god Mar 14 22:41:12 ZVox3? Mar 14 22:41:29 imagine killing someone and getting random full metal jacket quotes Mar 14 22:41:46 they are totaly caracter based Mar 14 22:41:51 well Mar 14 22:41:54 you pick a characer and thats what you get Mar 14 22:41:58 That would annoy the shit out of me Mar 14 22:41:59 that would be awesome Mar 14 22:42:05 better suited for skulltag Mar 14 22:42:06 well then Alex turn yours off Mar 14 22:42:13 you dont have to have it no Mar 14 22:42:14 on* Mar 14 22:42:24 just like Music, turn the volume slider down if you dont want it Mar 14 22:42:27 it would be pretty annoying tho he is right, with all the traffic ctf gets Mar 14 22:42:30 d2p: i'm not pissed off about being banned from ZDaemon Mar 14 22:42:32 i actually quite like it Mar 14 22:42:36 it's a lot of burden off my back Mar 14 22:42:36 Ganja: not for CTF Mar 14 22:42:37 for DM Mar 14 22:42:48 --- AgentSleep is now known as AgentSchool Mar 14 22:42:49 and i mean a lot Mar 14 22:42:54 deathz0r: well I cant do anything about that Mar 14 22:42:56 i don't have to listen to zdaemon complaints anymore Mar 14 22:42:57 z0r you got banned? Mar 14 22:42:59 yeah Mar 14 22:43:00 wtf Mar 14 22:43:04 christmas eve 2005 Mar 14 22:43:05 you are like the man Mar 14 22:43:34 ti c you as one of the top 5 in devopment Mar 14 22:43:49 raider ban you? Mar 14 22:43:53 kilgore actually Mar 14 22:43:57 pfft Mar 14 22:44:02 i tried talking to raider but it was a waste of 30 minutes Mar 14 22:44:03 kilgore is a cheater Mar 14 22:44:11 i say that as a fact Mar 14 22:44:15 fact Mar 14 22:44:19 oh? Mar 14 22:44:21 kilgore = cheater Mar 14 22:44:22 he aint Mar 14 22:44:23 hahaha Mar 14 22:44:27 ok Mar 14 22:44:32 his ping skyrockets to 600 Mar 14 22:44:39 10,000 exp in about a month? Mar 14 22:44:43 i was here Mar 14 22:44:44 because there are so many P2P assholes hogging his connection Mar 14 22:44:46 i watched it Mar 14 22:44:49 a month is minimal Mar 14 22:44:49 he cheated Mar 14 22:44:52 Greece has a very bad ISP Mar 14 22:44:56 no one can change my mind Mar 14 22:44:59 they spread the shit out of it Mar 14 22:45:01 on wtfmaps i pulled off some 3,000 in two hours Mar 14 22:45:12 he made so much exp in a few weeks after he became a programer Mar 14 22:45:18 he became #2 Mar 14 22:45:22 that was before, he had better internet access back then Mar 14 22:45:22 not #1 but #2 Mar 14 22:45:31 no Mar 14 22:45:31 d2p: yeah Mar 14 22:45:37 maikl russia was #1 Mar 14 22:45:37 apparently there's only one phone company according to him Mar 14 22:45:37 you really care that much about Exp points? Mar 14 22:45:40 that system so so flawed Mar 14 22:45:45 I dont even look at mine anymore Mar 14 22:45:54 kilgore = cheater, dont belive me or whatever but its what i believe Mar 14 22:46:06 no i dont give a fuck about exp Mar 14 22:46:10 but i did back then Mar 14 22:46:18 untill i saw what he did in a week Mar 14 22:46:19 deathz0r: it's Greece, I wouldnt be suprised Mar 14 22:46:23 true Mar 14 22:47:10 since kilgore, i have lost almost all respect for zd and exp that it collects Mar 14 22:47:16 so why was makil_russia banned for exp whoring again? Mar 14 22:47:20 heh Mar 14 22:47:22 caused i watched him cheat, litteraly overnight Mar 14 22:47:30 Kilgore has improved ZDaemon beyond scope of this subject Mar 14 22:47:34 the* Mar 14 22:47:37 yea Mar 14 22:47:41 even if he did which he didnt Mar 14 22:47:42 i respect him for that Mar 14 22:47:43 it doesnt matter Mar 14 22:47:48 he has contributed so much Mar 14 22:47:51 and i wasnt trying to defend maikl Mar 14 22:47:53 but wtf Mar 14 22:47:53 The end justifies the means Mar 14 22:48:02 heh Mar 14 22:48:02 he is sick and tired of working on the code now to be honest Mar 14 22:48:04 why would anyone cheat about thaty anyway Mar 14 22:48:08 its sad Mar 14 22:48:15 he only really wants to work on Bot AI and network code Mar 14 22:48:19 Doom2pro: It's a shame that you don't have any other compiatnt programmers among you Mar 14 22:48:30 but since Codeimp he has been forced to work on other things Mar 14 22:48:43 i like the outlook of the future tho Mar 14 22:48:43 And you scared awaay a few others Mar 14 22:48:50 we didnt scare away anyone Mar 14 22:48:51 a few of you know what i mean Mar 14 22:48:56 you dont even know what your talking about Mar 14 22:48:56 aw come on alex Mar 14 22:49:00 it was getting friendly here Mar 14 22:49:05 i was enjoying it too! Mar 14 22:49:07 Ganja will work his magic Mar 14 22:49:16 Ganja is like mary jane for #unidoom Mar 14 22:49:20 Let's all just CHILLLLLLLL Mar 14 22:49:21 we had Duke4ever, he did CTF and vanished, Kilgore finished it Mar 14 22:49:24 * Ganja GanjaGanja GanjaGanja Mar 14 22:49:35 ganja! Mar 14 22:49:36 CTF was pretty half finished when duke had it Mar 14 22:49:37 we had so many "developers" pop in, work for a few days and never show up again Mar 14 22:49:39 d2p: i don't think we need to mention polie as a developer Mar 14 22:49:46 there was so much wrong with it Mar 14 22:49:47 fuck Mar 14 22:49:52 Ahahahaha polie Mar 14 22:49:53 What a faggot Mar 14 22:49:54 you guys didnt hear me right Mar 14 22:49:55 if we are going to do anything serious to the code we cant have our developers vanishing Mar 14 22:49:57 since he was for a day or two Mar 14 22:50:02 dash got sick of zdaemon development Mar 14 22:50:04 no one go tell kilgore i think he is a cheater Mar 14 22:50:10 or i will KILL YOU Mar 14 22:50:16 !!!!!!!!! Mar 14 22:50:19 Didn't Niv try working on it too? Mar 14 22:50:21 understand?!?! Mar 14 22:50:32 i think he's still a dev Mar 14 22:50:38 more or less Mar 14 22:50:43 that's what i've heard anyway Mar 14 22:50:43 I thought he vanished Mar 14 22:50:59 no, he definitely plays on zdaemon Mar 14 22:51:03 Oh there are plenty of compitant programmers around Mar 14 22:51:11 Some of them are quite capable and dedicated Mar 14 22:51:15 "yesterday" he was talking about a cheat accusation in #clanos Mar 14 22:51:32 (technically it's still today here but that's just crazy timezone) Mar 14 22:51:38 toke acaully tught me a bunch of devopment shit, and i think i might of fixed the plasma bump issiue, mostly based on what xoap tried to do Mar 14 22:51:54 i sent toke the code Mar 14 22:52:06 dunno if he is even gona look at it Mar 14 22:52:10 but i spent some time on it Mar 14 22:52:28 the plasmabump issues was caused by the radius of the plasma thing Mar 14 22:52:42 original Mar 14 22:52:43 ZDoom's actor code is so fucking cryptic it's praticly written in compiler language Mar 14 22:52:47 is were i went with it Mar 14 22:52:51 from the back Mar 14 22:52:54 he uses wrappers everywhere Mar 14 22:53:09 it's like he doesnt want anyone to figure out how it works :) Mar 14 22:53:11 Randy Mar 14 22:53:15 <-- alexmax has kicked Ganja from #unidoom (hey dude) Mar 14 22:53:19 oh shit Mar 14 22:53:25 whoops, didn't mean to do that Mar 14 22:53:26 heh Mar 14 22:53:32 * alexmax invites ganja back Mar 14 22:53:35 * Doom2pro slaps Alexmax in the head Mar 14 22:55:21 god damnit Mar 14 22:57:02 he's mad at you now eh? Mar 14 22:57:09 --> Ganja (uraJew@ACA4201A.ipt.aol.com) has joined #unidoom Mar 14 22:57:11 wb Mar 14 22:57:45 ty Mar 14 22:58:12 hey d2p, you know a guy named versatile? Mar 14 22:58:21 yes Mar 14 22:58:27 played him yesterday Mar 14 22:58:32 couple of times Mar 14 22:58:32 whaddaya think about him? Mar 14 22:58:39 seems like a nice guy... why do you know him? Mar 14 22:58:45 he was gona join c! Mar 14 22:58:57 <-- xooz98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 14 22:58:58 but he joined bro cause i didnt let him in in time Mar 14 22:59:03 heh Mar 14 22:59:04 he's pretty good in dwango5 Mar 14 22:59:05 i like the guy Mar 14 22:59:09 i was reading discussion in #clanos Mar 14 22:59:10 yea he is Mar 14 22:59:18 seems like at least two BRO members are cheaters Mar 14 22:59:25 or suspected beyond reasonable doubt Mar 14 22:59:40 we get a flood of demos now that there is a known wallhack/aimbot out there Mar 14 22:59:52 i dont like bro Mar 14 22:59:57 acually i hat ethem Mar 14 23:00:02 it's very obvious I must say when you watch the demos if they really are cheating Mar 14 23:00:20 as soon as we see that and we all agree that person is cheating we ban them Mar 14 23:00:22 why would any asshole cheat at doom Mar 14 23:00:23 dev made an avi capture of a tournament match between niv and strider Mar 14 23:00:28 makes no sense to me Mar 14 23:00:30 (demo) Mar 14 23:00:34 not like it doesnt any good when they have a dynamic IP Mar 14 23:00:37 but thats all going to change Mar 14 23:00:37 it's in strider's viewpoint, chaingun Mar 14 23:00:39 i swear to god Mar 14 23:00:44 he is somehow aiming to the LEFT Mar 14 23:00:49 while moving from the right Mar 14 23:00:51 you think strider cheats? Mar 14 23:01:04 dude i playd him elaier, got 50-21 Mar 14 23:01:05 me Mar 14 23:01:07 that's not caused by lag Mar 14 23:01:20 (and he was hitting all of the time too) Mar 14 23:01:26 but i dont know Mar 14 23:01:30 i'll get a link Mar 14 23:01:35 bro causes some shit Mar 14 23:01:43 http://mizar.lod.com/~n/test.avi Mar 14 23:01:58 i think we should team up, the true clans vs the bullshit clans Mar 14 23:02:02 d2p: as far as official stance against cheating goes Mar 14 23:02:02 you all know what i mean Mar 14 23:02:06 demos are still the most reliable way Mar 14 23:02:07 it would work Mar 14 23:02:12 like an allieance Mar 14 23:02:21 unless you detect them :) Mar 14 23:02:24 of course Mar 14 23:02:29 Danni is working on Aimbot,wallhack detection Mar 14 23:02:34 it works very nice on other games Mar 14 23:02:41 DoD Mar 14 23:02:46 for example Mar 14 23:02:55 yeah Mar 14 23:03:01 he showed me his DoD anti-cheat Mar 14 23:03:02 i thought zd got got shit against aimbots Mar 14 23:03:03 for wallhacking Mar 14 23:03:10 and wallhacks Mar 14 23:03:12 a demostration avi, i was amazed by it Mar 14 23:03:13 not yet Mar 14 23:03:17 doh Mar 14 23:03:22 we have very flawed code ganja Mar 14 23:03:28 we have been working to change that Mar 14 23:03:31 for a long time Mar 14 23:03:37 i get called a cheater every few days Mar 14 23:03:44 and i just day its impossible Mar 14 23:03:48 the zdoom code isnt very secure neither is nightfang's old code Mar 14 23:04:05 after this long tho Mar 14 23:04:06 for example: before, when you said something in chat Mar 14 23:04:12 it would get spit right into a printf() Mar 14 23:04:17 with no formatting Mar 14 23:04:23 so you could add your own formatting tags Mar 14 23:04:25 with % Mar 14 23:04:29 and crash games Mar 14 23:04:30 shit Mar 14 23:04:32 very stupid Mar 14 23:04:34 my dad is up Mar 14 23:04:42 that mean it is 6 am Mar 14 23:04:46 i gotta go Mar 14 23:04:50 %s%s%s! Mar 14 23:04:50 they should have done printf("%s", string); instead of printf(string) Mar 14 23:04:52 gn yall Mar 14 23:04:57 cya tomarrow Mar 14 23:04:59 cya Mar 14 23:05:41 we have to hunt all these down Mar 14 23:05:44 it's retarded Mar 14 23:05:57 anyway, I got real life stuff to do Mar 14 23:06:00 ok Mar 14 23:06:01 it's been nice Mar 14 23:06:02 thanks for the talk Mar 14 23:06:05 heh Mar 14 23:06:07 your welcome Mar 14 23:06:13 <-- Doom2pro has quit (Quit: I never try anything... I just do it... wanna try me?)